Perpetual Healthy Eating and Fitness Rant & Rave thread

[cgraz]

I can understand making choices that lean toward more nutritionally dense foods, ie, getting more bang for your buck in what you consume...but that doesn't make the other stuff empty, when you're talking about real food. Doritos = empty. Whole grains = not empty.

[merigayle]

I can understand making choices that lean toward more nutritionally dense foods, ie, getting more bang for your buck in what you consume...but that doesn't make the other stuff empty, when you're talking about real food. Doritos = empty. Whole grains = not empty.

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[diablita]

So I hesitate to jump in now with talk of frozen yogurt but I'm too excited so want to share that we just bought a Yonanas.    I was waffling about buying one but DD had a tough dentist visit this morning and frozen banana yogurt seemed like the perfect solution.  It makes really delicious banana frozen yogurt (only had bananas in the freezer.)  I can't wait to freeze up more fruit and try it!

[Courtney]

So I hesitate to jump in now with talk of frozen yogurt but I'm too excited so want to share that we just bought a Yonanas.    I was waffling about buying one but DD had a tough dentist visit this morning and frozen banana yogurt seemed like the perfect solution.  It makes really delicious banana frozen yogurt (only had bananas in the freezer.)  I can't wait to freeze up more fruit and try it!

ooh, fun!! 

[Run Amok]

I can understand making choices that lean toward more nutritionally dense foods, ie, getting more bang for your buck in what you consume...but that doesn't make the other stuff empty, when you're talking about real food. Doritos = empty. Whole grains = not empty.

ITA with this! I found that mostly protein and veggies worked fine for me when I was not excercising much. But once I started to kick up the miles in running... I needed more and my stomach could only tolerate so much in terms of all the fiber between the produce and whole grains. So, I actually went back to some pretty refined carbs and it worked out ok. I just don't think it's a simple as "good" vs "bad". Ok... I agree that doritos and coke are bad.

[Courtney]

I've been researching menus and food lists. I must have a plan if I am going to be successful. I tried to get DH to do it with me, but no dice. I'm still on the fence but I'm pretty sure this is going to happen in May. I have to wait until after our city's annual 2 week-long party called Fiesta. I must have my once-a-year funnel cake. It's non-negotiable. 

It sounds very much like paleo, which I'm loosely following.  More fruit than the recomend on paleo, but it's definitely a better way of eating.

Grains are out for me, mostly due to gluten.  But even the GF ones are not much of a staple in my diet anymore.  Occassionally I'll bake with oats, and corn is still hard to avoid, but it's definitely good.  For me, the things I overeat on are grain based, and sugar based.  So corn chips, pasta, bread, candy, etc...  I don't think you can go wrong with whole foods. 

[CheryG]

I can understand making choices that lean toward more nutritionally dense foods, ie, getting more bang for your buck in what you consume...but that doesn't make the other stuff empty, when you're talking about real food. Doritos = empty. Whole grains = not empty.

But this is part of the reason I love the Whole 30 so much.  It's quite up front about saying that food like Doritos shouldn't be included in comparisons.  It compares whole foods against whole foods.  And then, unlike the EFL diet that meri suggested that seems to limit whole grains for life, it's designed for you to make your own decisions afterwards.

This is a screenshot of the software I use to balance what my horses eat.  It's very basic.  It does show mineral ratios on another screen.  I can project for intended weight gain or loss, exercise level, throw in some parameters for diseased horses (insulin resistance), insert what I want to feed and it tells me how well I'm meeting the NRC guidelines. 

I wish there were something similar for humans, because if you're meeting your goals and daily requirements, I don't give a fcuk what you eat!


It even lets me mouse over each of those bars and it tells me the percentages of foodstuffs each nutrient comes from.  I love this software, it could be more comprehensive but it's not that expensive.  It's gone through the bother of loading most commercial feeds and if you're feeding whole feeds it puts in national averages.  Or, if you do your own feed testing you can enter in that data.

[merigayle]

So I hesitate to jump in now with talk of frozen yogurt but I'm too excited so want to share that we just bought a Yonanas.    I was waffling about buying one but DD had a tough dentist visit this morning and frozen banana yogurt seemed like the perfect solution.  It makes really delicious banana frozen yogurt (only had bananas in the freezer.)  I can't wait to freeze up more fruit and try it!

fabulous! and our Vitamix does the job perfectly as well

[cgraz]

Yeah, but my point is that there is a place in my diet for all whole foods. I'm not fueling myself like a horse. And (short of food allergies or intolerances) I'm not throwing out an entire food group, wholesale. YMMV.

[CheryG]

Yeah, but my point is that there is a place in my diet for all whole foods. I'm not fueling myself like a horse. And (short of food allergies or intolerances) I'm not throwing out an entire food group, wholesale. YMMV.

The Whole30 doesn't throw out any whole food long term.  Well, maybe white sugar.  It's intended to be like a reset button.  The 30 means 30 days. And I hope you're not fueling yourself exactly like a horse, their basic calorie requirement is around 19,000 calories a day.  Otherwise, IMO, the basic premise of meeting nutritional and energy needs is the same.  It's absolutely how I look at nutrition.  Easier, because they don't mind eating the same thing every day.  Each of my beasts has a vastly different diet depending on workload, weight, and how they utilize fats and carbs.  One gets 3# a day of a super high carb diet (heresy for some horse owners), another needs fat/fiber for energy to be at his best.

[Run Amok]

.  Each of my beasts has a vastly different diet depending on workload, weight, and how they utilize fats and carbs.  One gets 3# a day of a super high carb diet (heresy for some horse owners), another needs fat/fiber for energy to be at his best.

...and yet we try and one sized approach for ourselves. It's just not that simple.

[CheryG]

...and yet we try and one sized approach for ourselves. It's just not that simple.

I didn't try low carb for years because I didn't think it was rational.  Moderation is KEY!  JUST EAT WHOLE GRAINS!

If you're happy with your diet, wonderful!  If you're complaining about diet related issues, change it up.  I did.  I ate the humble pie of all the crap I gave low carbers over the years.  Went for it and love it.

Even meeting the NRC isn't enough with the ponies- they're all different and if deficiencies are noted they're addressed.  (Copper/zinc, vit E/selenium, you know the drill)

[Lintu]

I've been wanting to try Whole30 but I need a LOT of calories right now and I'm not sure I can afford to get them with zero grains!

[triciaflower]

I already eat a mostly whole food diet. We cook almost all of our meals. I'm so used to cooking that when I DO eat restaurant food, I get a dehydration headache from all the salt.

My hesitation is the grain thing. I love my grains! I don't believe they are evil. I do think refined flour and such should not be in any diet. We eat rice at least 3 times a week. Corn is a staple too in the form of tortillas and chalupa shells. However. I wonder if taking all the grains and other allergens out then slowly adding each one back in will help me determine what is causing my incessant itching! I seriously think it's food-related. But I can't pinpoint it. It might be the sugar. It might be the wheat. I am also bloating and have strange IBS issues.

I think I just talked myself into it. 

[Ice Cream]

I already eat a mostly whole food diet. We cook almost all of our meals. I'm so used to cooking that when I DO eat restaurant food, I get a dehydration headache from all the salt.

My hesitation is the grain thing. I love my grains! I don't believe they are evil. I do think refined flour and such should not be in any diet. We eat rice at least 3 times a week. Corn is a staple too in the form of tortillas and chalupa shells. However. I wonder if taking all the grains and other allergens out then slowly adding each one back in will help me determine what is causing my incessant itching! I seriously think it's food-related. But I can't pinpoint it. It might be the sugar. It might be the wheat. I am also bloating and have strange IBS issues.

I think I just talked myself into it. 

My dr. linked the itching to the non active ingredients in my supplements.  He was right.  Apparently, lots of pills have some ingredient that causes itching.

[caito]

And I hope you're not fueling yourself exactly like a horse, their basic calorie requirement is around 19,000 calories a day. 

I wish I were a horse.  I'd be awesome at it.

[merigayle]

I had a major reaction to zinc supplements last year (the only thing that showed up not normal on my blood work) and got an itchy rash all over my face.

[seattlegirl]

I wish I were a horse.  I'd be awesome at it.

 

[Courtney]

I already eat a mostly whole food diet. We cook almost all of our meals. I'm so used to cooking that when I DO eat restaurant food, I get a dehydration headache from all the salt.

My hesitation is the grain thing. I love my grains! I don't believe they are evil. I do think refined flour and such should not be in any diet. We eat rice at least 3 times a week. Corn is a staple too in the form of tortillas and chalupa shells. However. I wonder if taking all the grains and other allergens out then slowly adding each one back in will help me determine what is causing my incessant itching! I seriously think it's food-related. But I can't pinpoint it. It might be the sugar. It might be the wheat. I am also bloating and have strange IBS issues.

I think I just talked myself into it. 

There is a form of celiac disease that manifests in itchy skin.  I know two people who have this, it's like dermatitis or something.  I don't know for sure. 

Caito-    

I weighed in again this morning for my official WW weight.  Up less than a pound, which is odd considering I've been down over a pound for several days.     I suspect it's some salt from last night?  AND, on top of that, my folks were here for 4 days (thursday night thru tues morning, actually) and while I ate WAY better than I would have in the recent past, it was still a lot of eating out, and I didn't track much.  So I'm not too bummed about a slight bump in weight.  I bet I'm back down again tomorrow, and then hopefully even a bit more next week. 

[Ice Cream]

I want to be a horse, too.  Love love love oats.