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Running => Running => Topic started by: Run Amok on June 01, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
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The current record is 46 days and he's shooting for 42.
http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/updated-before-retirement-scott-jurek-attempting-appalachian-trail-record (http://www.runnersworld.com/elite-runners/updated-before-retirement-scott-jurek-attempting-appalachian-trail-record)
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I am loving his updates on Facebook!
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Me too!
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I think his photog is Luis Escobar who is a great ultrarunner as well ( I believe he was in the Born to Run book as well). Jurek posted about some knee or leg pain the other day, hopefully he can rebound.
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I think team "trails are holy things not to be raced on" are stoopid-heads.
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The comments on his FB posts are interesting. West coast ultra runners think that the east coast is pansy man running territory. However, the race I attempted this past fall (which coincidentally was on the AT) was TOUGH, tougher than any trail I had been on out west. There is no altitude to deal with but holey moley, some of the climbs,i could barely put one foot in front of the other and my chin was basically grazing the trail i needed to ascend :o
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The comments on his FB posts are interesting. West coast ultra runners think that the east coast is pansy man running territory. However, the race I attempted this past fall (which coincidentally was on the AT) was TOUGH, tougher than any trail I had been on out west. There is no altitude to deal with but holey moley, some of the climbs,i could barely put one foot in front of the other and my chin was basically grazing the trail i needed to ascend :o
A few friends and I hiked a trail in the Catskills near the AT a couple of summers ago, the footing was really tough and steep, we all fell at various points. My one friend slipped on the descent and almost took me out domino style. That would have been ugly.
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Wonder if he's seen VP of Tea ?
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I do not have time to read other forums, silly!
I was wondering about meeting Jurek in PA or NJ, gotta contact them and see if they have a sort of plan.
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GOGOGOGOGO!!!!
Based on updates from both sides, the Vice President of Tea should be getting rolled up by him within the next couple of days. :hiker: :runner:
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My running partner and I are trying to estimate when he will be thru PA/NJ and if we could intercept at all. Doubtful, but will still try to figure it out :)
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I did a little AT running yesterday to see if I could get some Jurek/VP Tea mojo but all I got was a trip on a rock. Best I stick to asphalt :)
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My running partner and I are trying to estimate when he will be thru PA/NJ and if we could intercept at all. Doubtful, but will still try to figure it out :)
I was hoping I'd be able to catch him in New England when I'm out in a couple weeks, but I suspect he'll be long gone by then.
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Nadra's Lackey-- really depends on what "couple weeks" is, maybe!
I did a little AT running yesterday to see if I could get some Jurek/VP Tea mojo but all I got was a trip on a rock. Best I stick to asphalt :)
The race i DNFed in the fall was all AT in southern VA. It was AWFULLY terribly difficult. There were some climbs so steep that my nose almost scraped the trail :e) I ran in the Tetons twice and nothing compared to this. I was shocked at how technical the trails were, on top of that, how steep the climbs were. And the cliffs :panic:
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We fly in (CT) on 7/3, which I think is day 37 for him? He should be in Maine or close to it by then. Not sure how interested I am in a wild goose chase out in those boonies.
Too early for VP of Tea and too late for Jurker :'(
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We fly in (CT) on 7/3, which I think is day 37 for him? He should be in Maine or close to it by then. Not sure how interested I am in a wild goose chase out in those boonies.
Too early for VP of Tea and too late for Jurker :'(
:'(
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nifty AT distance calculator.
http://www.atdist.com/ (http://www.atdist.com/)
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in case you want to know where he is RIGHT NOW, like what damn tree he is standing next to:
https://share.delorme.com/scottjurek
I may just time a run tomorrow - he's getting close!
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I have been under the weather and would have been no good to go track him down :(
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I stalked the AT for a bit but saw no Jurek, or anyone. Got home, took a look at the tracker and looks like I headed home about 10 minutes too soon! :fiery:
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I stalked the AT for a bit but saw no Jurek, or anyone. Got home, took a look at the tracker and looks like I headed home about 10 minutes too soon! :fiery:
DH wants to see him today.
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I should've come out to MA a week earlier >:(
Jurker is going to shatter this record unless something bad happens.
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I should've come out to MA a week earlier >:(
Jurker is going to shatter this record unless something bad happens.
DH ran with him and Karl Meltzer today, here in MA.
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DH ran with him and Karl Meltzer today, here in MA.
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Wow, he is having a hard time keeping up his caloric need. I did not even recognize him.
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yikes!
Sometimes a situation just calls for a hamburger. Give in to the dark side!
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Skeletor. :nono:
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Let's look at some figures - it looks as though he has just over 400 miles left today (day 35). Current record is 46 1/2. That's 10 days of averaging 40/day to have a lock on it, which is well within what he's been doing. Definitely doable, but more difficult being on the tough part of the trail. I hope he feels better than he looks!
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He should just eat jars of peanut butter or something.
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He just needs the dustball to carry him through Maine :smokin: :runner:
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Wow, he is having a hard time keeping up his caloric need. I did not even recognize him.
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The pictures that DH showed me do not look like this at all. This might just be a poor angle.
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The pictures that DH showed me do not look like this at all. This might just be a poor angle.
Perhaps. Harsh lighting for sure!
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My buddy Marshall Ulrich had some harsh words for Scott and his vegan-esque diet. I do not agree with Marshall and was surprised to see his strong words. When he did his run across America, averaging 50miles+ a day, he ate mostly junk and fast and not sure I agree that is the best to fuel an athletic endeavor. If it were me, I would probably be surviving on peanut butter and smoothies made with avocados and flax oil.
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How would you make a smoothie on the AT? :D
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I think Scott Jurek is smart & experienced enough to handle his own nutrition. Yes, he looks very thin but I'm sure it's just part of the deal when you run that much for all those days in a row. He wouldn't be able keep going if he were truly not getting enough. He'll gain some weight back when he's done.
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How would you make a smoothie on the AT? :D
he has his wife and entourage following him in a Rv!
Caito- he looks no different than other thru hikers i have seen by the end.
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3 days and no posts on the FB page. Luis Escobar is the photographer who was there at the onset and is back now. He posted yesterday or the day before.
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The latest comments say that it will be close. We shall see. Time is almost up.
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The latest comments say that it will be close. We shall see. Time is almost up.
That was what I saw, that it will be VERY close. He has to pull over 50 miles a day to the end. Also, I am unclear why N-->S and S--> N thru hikes are not differentiated in the record holding. Seems to be a difference depending on which direction you go. I wonder why Jurek chose S-->N.
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That was what I saw, that it will be VERY close. He has to pull over 50 miles a day to the end. Also, I am unclear why N-->S and S--> N thru hikes are not differentiated in the record holding. Seems to be a difference depending on which direction you go. I wonder why Jurek chose S-->N.
I thought the South to North thing was about weather? OR is that just for walkers?
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I didn't follow along the whole way, but it seemed like he was doing 50 miles pretty much every day from what I saw. Due to ME being steeper with climbs and with the expectation of being worn out, I would have thought he'd give himself more time at the end??
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I think North to South for weather for those not trying for records ;)
He posted today, 3 hours ago, 189 or something miles to go. Will be TIGHT. I wonder if it is harder in terms of climbs in one direction or if the fresher legs on the harder ME section makes it faster, but it seems that N--->S is faster.
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From what I've read, he's struggling right now, about a mile an hour.
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From what I've read, he's struggling right now, about a mile an hour.
Have you seen any videos of the terrain? Brutal! I can see it taking an hour to go a mile. I think it was on his page the video. Or Luis Escobar's.
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Looks like he ran thru the night. This is going to be the only way to get to the finish and break the record.
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http://www.outsideonline.com/1997316/will-scott-jurek-break-appalachian-trail-record-maybe?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebookpost (http://www.outsideonline.com/1997316/will-scott-jurek-break-appalachian-trail-record-maybe?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=facebookpost)
I read this article this morning. Very tight.
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Here is the most up to date info
http://treeswiththefuron.bangordailynews.com/2015/07/09/home/scott-jureks-speed-attempt-on-the-appalachian-trail-is-a-real-nail-biter/ (http://treeswiththefuron.bangordailynews.com/2015/07/09/home/scott-jureks-speed-attempt-on-the-appalachian-trail-is-a-real-nail-biter/)
That says if he goes 2mph thru to the end he will make it. Now, anyone who has run an ultra knows it all sounds SOOOOOOO easy on paper :D Making it happen is another thing. My first 48 hour race was a HUGE slap in my face of the reality of that. BUT I am pulling for him.
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Somebody get a hamburger to that guy.
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Somebody get a tofuhamburger to that guy.
FIFY.
GO SCOTT, GO!
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This shit is going to be close. He needs Dusty to come back and crack the whip!
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This shit is going to be close. He needs Dusty to come back and crack the whip!
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Somebody get a hamburger to that guy.
This is probably more profound than you intended it to be. I don't know anything about this guy, but he's clearly undernourished. I hope he nails his goal, but I'm not going to be too surprised if he falls short.
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This is probably more profound than you intended it to be. I don't know anything about this guy, but he's clearly undernourished. I hope he nails his goal, but I'm not going to be too surprised if he falls short.
I agree.
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This is probably more profound than you intended it to be. I don't know anything about this guy, but he's clearly undernourished. I hope he nails his goal, but I'm not going to be too surprised if he falls short.
All long distance speed hikers look malnourished at the end. Going 50 miles a day must be tough to keep up with your nutritional needs.
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All long distance speed hikers look malnourished at the end. Going 50 miles a day must be tough to keep up with your nutritional needs.
I don't believe he looks "malnourished". Skinny, yes. Plenty of overweight people ARE malnourished.
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I don't believe he looks "malnourished". Skinny, yes. Plenty of overweight people ARE malnourished.
Maybe malnourished is not the right word but i have seen a lot of before and after pictures of people who did long, long distance pursuits and they look so different than they did at the start. Maybe overly skinny and gaunt?
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Maybe malnourished is not the right word but i have seen a lot of before and after pictures of people who did long, long distance pursuits and they look so different than they did at the start. Maybe overly skinny and gaunt?
If it was just a matter of burning off some stored body fat, that would be fine. But he's probably also burning lean muscle mass. It would be fascinating if we had not only the ability to track his whereabouts but to track his body composition in real time.
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http://www.weather.com/sports-recreation/weather-ventures/news/scott-jurek-appalachian-trail-photos#/1 (http://www.weather.com/sports-recreation/weather-ventures/news/scott-jurek-appalachian-trail-photos#/1)
amazing pictures.
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SCOTTSCOTTSCOTT!!!!
Looks to be about 40 miles from the end with just over 24 hours to get it done. Time to summon whatever the hell demons he has left.
COME ON JURKER!!! DO YOU WANNA BE SOMEBODY?????
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He can knock out 40 miles in 24 hours. Go Scotty!
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I still don't believe that he looks bad in the picture NL posted. He looks like an endurance athlete, and many bikers look like him. But I like the looks of lean men.
Beside the point, but the terms malnourished and gaunt and overly skinny include value judgments that are somehow acceptable for the thin, but equivalents for the overweight and obese are not politically correct. Many, many people who live on fast food diets and restaurant fare are malnourished, regardless of their size.
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I still don't believe that he looks bad in the picture NL posted. He looks like an endurance athlete, and many bikers look like him. But I like the looks of lean men.
Beside the point, but the terms malnourished and gaunt and overly skinny include value judgments that are somehow acceptable for the thin, but equivalents for the overweight and obese are not politically correct. Many, many people who live on fast food diets and restaurant fare are malnourished, regardless of their size.
I am comparing him to what i am used to seeing him look like over the past 10+ years to now. Some pictures are more flattering than others. I am sorry if I offended you.
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I think he can, I think he can! He would never let 40 miles in 24 hours slip from his grasp!
As I said before, I believe that he has enough intelligence and experience to manage his nutrition. He's looking very skinny right now, but he's fine. He knows what he's doing.
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I think he can, I think he can! He would never let 40 miles in 24 hours slip from his grasp!
As I said before, I believe that he has enough intelligence and experience to manage his nutrition. He's looking very skinny right now, but he's fine. He knows what he's doing.
Yes! To the first point and I agree with the second.
In my first badwater, if I look at pictures from start to finish, I look 15+ lbs lighter at the end, no joke. That was only 135 miles! I cannot imagine refueling enough going 50 miles a day. Marshall did during his cross country run only bc he ate fast food and junk food, which is not a great option either. If Jurek was not refueling properly, he'd never make it. It is expected to lose some weight at his effort. I agree that the one picture in question was a bad picture and many since then, he looks better. Just seeing tha one pic, I was shocked and did not recognize him.
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GOGOGOGOGO!!!!
He's finally around that damn lake he seemed to be at forever. You can now see the end from where he is when you resize the tracker map to a 1 mile scale. So that's a good sign, right? ;)
I'd presume he's pulling an all-nighter or close to it. If he can get to Abol Bridge by sunrise (15 to go) then he's probably in good shape. Having a cushion before climbing Katahdin would be nice.
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Having a cushion before climbing Katahdin would be nice.
"All of these words finding themselves together were greatly astonished and delighted for assuredly, they had never met before"
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I'd presume he's pulling an all-nighter or close to it.
And [possibly] regretting whatever single hours he took "off" along the way to make it SO CLOSE
In a way, he's like Jens Voigt in that even he doesn't succeed, he shows so much class and humanity and strength and humor along the way that success just makes it better
"Shut Up Legs!!!"
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Looks like 20 miles to go?
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7 miles to go in 7 1/2 hours. Looks like he really dialed it in overnight. GOGOGOGOGO!!!
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7 miles to go in 7 1/2 hours. Looks like he really dialed it in overnight. GOGOGOGOGO!!!
It looks like he was on the move all night long. Amazing.
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Actually the line just moved a shit-ton in the last half hour or so. Just over 5 to go now. The man is kicking!!! :runner:
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6 hours to do 5k. Make it so!!!
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Wow! Very exciting
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He made it! 46 days 8 hours 8 mins.
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Yay!
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:bow2: :bow2: :bow2:
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YESYESYES!!!
#EatAndSOULCRUSH
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and considering his current condition, I'm sure he was blitzed beyond belief after about 2 sips of that stuff. Have fun climbing back down! :d
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actually the tracker appears to still be on, so we can all watch him head down! Maybe he decided to go all the way back and shoot for the yo-yo record? ???
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I bet he'll get a good night's sleep tonight!
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Well he's at the Katahdin stream campground it appears, so at least he didn't have too far to go. I'm kind of curious to see how long he leaves this thing on for now...."looks like Scott's on I-90 headed back west. Looks like Scott just stopped to take a dump." .....this could be fun! In a creepy stalkerish kind of way of course. :d
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He did it, but only a record by a few hours. it makes the CT woman's hiking record that he beat really stand out as an extraordinary accomplishment. She was supported only by her husband, whereas Jurek had a huge support crew.
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He did it, but only a record by a few hours. it makes the CT woman's hiking record that he beat really stand out as an extraordinary accomplishment. She was supported only by her husband, whereas Jurek had a huge support crew.
Totally agree and as much as I love Jurek and was rooting for him, I also kinda wanted that kick ass woman hiker to keep the record :)
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Women should not be eligible for records :nono:
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Women should not be eligible for records :nono:
especially considering she only walked it while Jurek ran it.
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Women should not be eligible for records :nono:
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Those feet look too pristine!!!
I'm suspicious ... Who paced him, Kip Litton? Mike Rossi?
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lazy bum!
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His feet look awesome! And now I want Ome So Delicious ice cream but the kid finished it.
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Those feet look too pristine!!!
But look at that right kneecap :yikes:
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He's in Portland ME refueling and I was just there myself. I was even at the same pub as the picture back in May. He's got some eating to do.
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But look at that right kneecap :yikes:
SO? He's got bony knees?
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a little food for thought
http://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/go-outside/baxter-state-park-officials-scold-jurek-for-a-t-celebration/ (http://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/go-outside/baxter-state-park-officials-scold-jurek-for-a-t-celebration/)
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a little food for thought
http://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/go-outside/baxter-state-park-officials-scold-jurek-for-a-t-celebration/ (http://www.blueridgeoutdoors.com/go-outside/baxter-state-park-officials-scold-jurek-for-a-t-celebration/)
This was my first thought when DH showed me the picture with the champagne.
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This was my first thought when DH showed me the picture with the champagne.
And I do agree with the park.
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And I do agree with the park.
Me, too.
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You'd think that with all the planning before he started AND having some 46 days on the trail beforehand, SOMEONE would have asked "Hey? When we get to the finish, you think they'd let us have a celebration toast with a few friends, and maybe some cameras? We should probably check first"
Phish | 12.31.10 | 46 Days (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r35Ius6JPS8#)
Also, this little bit from ST
Filming within 500' of Baxter Peak was probably someone (his wife) using a phone to "film" Jurek's finish.
Actually there is a real crew with some serious gear. I met them in PA. Still only three guys though.
So, to be clear, we're NOT talking camera+sound+lights+makeup+catering for EACH member of the team, to film several angles at once like they do on "reality" shows
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Actually, there was a film crew on various parts of his run; they are doing a documentary of three athletes in very different sports.
Regardless, I believe that state park regulations apply to everybody. and if you feel that an exception should be granted, you apply/ask for it. Not saying this was Jurek's fault. He probably did not know what was awaiting him.
DH directs a race in a state park; there are many regulations, and he respects them and expects the runners in the race to do so, too.
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Actually, there was a film crew on various parts of his run; they are doing a documentary of three athletes in very different sports.
Regardless, I believe that state park regulations apply to everybody. and if you feel that an exception should be granted, you apply/ask for it. Not saying this was Jurek's fault. He probably did not know what was awaiting him.
DH directs a race in a state park; there are many regulations, and he respects them and expects the runners in the race to do so, too.
I would think Jurek WOULD know, there are VERY strict media rules and regulations at Badwater, which he has run and has been documented thru video and photography running. The Death Valley National Park rangers made it clear that these were national park regulations and state regulations. Maybe they thought they did not need it. But would hope any professional would check about permits.
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HOWEVER, it seems that there are claims of Jurek littering and he posted a picture of all of his trash his wife packed out of the AT, so who knows where the truth in all of this lies.
Something I have learned after the whole bruhaha over Badwater and the National Park not wanting to hold the race, etc, was that there is a fine line people walk between preserving the land/trail/park/etc at ALL costs, even if that means NO ONE enjoys it, and having it open to the public to enjoy. Some people are so fanatical about preservation, that they go a bit extreme in their cause. I am all for preservation, but there is normal "wear and tear" of a park being open to the public.
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Wonder if Scott will be returning to the AT in his sixties or seventies?
Emma Rowena Gatewood (a.k.a. Grandma Gatewood) was well past her prime when she became the first solo woman to complete the Appalachian Trail in 1955 at the age of 67. The mother of 11 and grandmother of 23 began her journey at Mount Oglethorpe in Georgia, wearing Keds sneakers (not ideal for hiking, we’d say) and carrying a small knapsack with only an army blanket, raincoat and plastic shower curtain inside. “I thought it would be a nice lark,” she told reporters of her inspiration to take on the trail. “It wasn’t.” But despite the difficulty, the trail didn’t demoralize her too much, as Grandma Gatewood returned to hike the AT again in 1960 and 1963 (at the young age of 75), thus becoming the first person to complete the trail three times and the oldest female through-hiker until the record was broken in 2007.
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/14/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-appalachian-trail/slide/the-first-woman-to-complete-it-solo-had-23-grandchildren/ (http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/14/7-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-appalachian-trail/slide/the-first-woman-to-complete-it-solo-had-23-grandchildren/)
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The butthurt is quite strong in that post. Rules are rules and all, but I'm sure Jurker is far from the first to enjoy a celebratory beverage or two at the summit. The point about reducing group size is understandable and I'm sure he expected the publicity, but I don't know how much control over the size of his group he ultimately had. It's not a habit to be encouraged, but how often does stuff like this happen to begin with?
I don't know the deal with the littering, but I saw a post from him just today about all the trash he & Jenny packed out and were sending off to a recyclable organization, so obviously he's quite environmentally conscious and I'm sure any littering incident was unintentional.
The stuff about corporatization was a bit bizarre...how exactly does it hurt BSP that he had sponsors supporting him and displayed their logos? I guess I'd better leave my Nike shorts and my Brooks shoes at home the next time I hit the trails up there. They need to get over themselves.
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I read that the "littering" charge had nothing to do with anything a normal person would call litter. It had to do with the champagne that splashed on the ground when he popped the cork. Puleeze! :eyeroll:
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HOWEVER, it seems that there are claims of Jurek littering and he posted a picture of all of his trash his wife packed out of the AT
From Scott's Facebook page:
Really gotta hand it to Jenny. I packed out ALL my trash on the AT and she sorted through everything, picked out all the Clif Bar wrappers and pouches, saved them until she could send them to TerraCycle to be recycled. Over the course of 46 days, she sent four packages of wrappers (1400+). If you haven't heard of TerraCycle, check them out! You can print a prepaid label, it's that easy. Let's keep our trail waste out of landfills!
That's some bit of trash-activism, right there
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I guess I'd better leave my Nike shorts and my Brooks shoes at home the next time I hit the trails up there.
Logos on shorts & shoes are OK; it's trucks & headbands they're worried about
Let's be clear and concise, Scott Jurek's physical abilities were recognized by corporations engaged in running and outdoor related products. The race vehicle used to support Scott in his run, as well as Scott's headband, clearly displays these corporate sponsors.
Besides, you're not sponsored by them, really
If you consider who pays for your gear, training and race fees, then I guess I'm sponsored by Lockheed Martin [in exchange for 40-something hours per week of goofing around in Excel, SAP and Hyperion]; and by extension, YOUR tax dollars
So I'd like to thank you ALL for funding my personal mediocrity
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Great post
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Great post
And an awesome subject! I can't imagine running the AT in this day and age let alone doing it when you had to pack your own stuff in a bag and protect yourself from the elements with a re-purposed shower curtain. That's some real moxie.
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lol....this was posted just a week before the Jurek smear job with all sorts of praise being heaped on the group by BSP.....
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Tell me more about how big groups are not okay :d
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Nice.
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A Walk in the Woods Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Nick Offerman, Emma Thompson Movie HD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOF2LIAp9bw#)
* I'm sure they got their permits in order ahead of time, and only filmed in small groups ... no champagne at the wrap party. either
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Here is a great blog post by Jurek about some of the accusations against him towards the end.
http://blog.scottjurek.com/post/124919853524/reflections-on-the-appalachian-trail (http://blog.scottjurek.com/post/124919853524/reflections-on-the-appalachian-trail)
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When I arrived at the base of Katahdin, two park rangers counted my group and registered our number as within the authorized limit of twelve people. I stopped to pose for pictures with several large groups of people, including a trail work crew, to thank them for their support and invaluable efforts. There have been reports of a ballooning group size, but my group always remained at twelve. One friend decided to surprise me with a bottle of champagne. He asked the two park rangers at the trailhead if that was okay and was advised to keep it away from families and children. To him, that sounded like alcohol was acceptable within reason. When I reached the summit, two different park rangers watched my friend hand me the bottle to celebrate. We were not aware of any rules against alcohol and I own that- I should have been better informed. Neither of the rangers said a word about it. If they had, I would have immediately put the bottle away. No citations were issued to any of the people with alcohol and no warnings were given. It was only four hours later, after we had hiked down with all our trash and reached the parking lot, that I was surprised to be met by three more rangers who now issued me three summonses. I am certainly willing to accept responsibility for any rules that I may have broken, but I have yet to be fined.
Since then, the Park administration has chosen to paint a disparaging and inaccurate picture of what truly happened. Several objective parties whom I’ve never met tried to set the record straight with their own accounts of what they saw that day but the Park has removed those posts from its Facebook page. I’m not sure why a Park so opposed to media and fanfare decided to push to the media a view of what happened that was not accurate and a personal attack on my character.
Boom goes the dynamite!!
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Boom goes the dynamite!!
yep
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They don't call them crick pricks for nothing. They should have anticipated this and provided some guidelines ahead of time, as well as told them no champaign on the summit. Hopefully they'll just let it go. As for the Baxter State Park, writing up their "coup" on Facebook is very poor form if not outright unprofessional.
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Here's the Facebook post from Baxter State Park:
Several paragraphs lauding his accomplishment...
When Scott arrived at Baxter Park to complete his run at the northern terminus of the Appalachian Trail, he brought all of this to Baxter Peak, in Maine's largest wilderness.
Mr. Jurek and the corporate sponsors were careful not to mention in the media coverage that one of the unfortunate outcomes of the celebration party at Baxter Peak at the completion of the event were the three summons issued to Mr. Jurek by a Baxter Park Ranger for the drinking of alcoholic beverages in public places (BSP Rule 7 and Maine State General Law), for littering (BSP Rule 4.5) and for hiking with an oversize group (BSP Rule 2.2). In addition, media personnel were issued a summons for violation of a commercial media permit which prohibited filming within 500' of Baxter Peak. Not much to be proud of there.
An additional discouraging observation. The Appalachian Trail provided the challenge and backdrop for this event and consequently, provided the conduit for this event to land in Baxter Park. The profile of the AT is large enough to attract the corporate sponsorship necessary to support and carry such an event. The AT is apparently comfortable with the fit of this type of event in its mission. The formal federal designation and authority of the Appalachian Trial does not extend into Baxter State Park. The AT within the Park is hosted at the consideration of the Baxter State Park Authority. The Authority is currently considering the increasing pressures, impacts and conflicts that the Appalachian Trail brings to the Park and if a continued relationship is in the best interests of Baxter State Park.
Thousands of people, including Mainers and others from all over the world, visit Baxter Park and hike in the Park's wilderness, including a climb to Baxter Peak. People celebrate their accomplishment, often with their families and often many times over, quietly and with appreciation for this precious gift left to us in perpetuity by Percival Baxter. These “corporate events” have no place in the Park and are incongruous with the Park's mission of resource protection, the appreciation of nature and the respect of the experience of others in the Park. We hope for the support of the AT and BSP communities to help us steer these events to more appropriate venues in the future.
Sounds like someone has an agenda
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... outright unprofessional.
Of course they're UN-Professional
They're volunteers, aren't they?
I could be wrong
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Of course they're UN-Professional
They're volunteers, aren't they?
I could be wrong
State Park personnel are generally paid. You might see volunteer crews out there but those writing tickets (rangers) and enforcing the rules (superintendent or supervisors) will be paid employees.
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Like I said, I could be wrong
Thanks for the clarification
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Seems like there's been a contentious relationship between BSP and the thru hiker community for quite some time. I think Scott just became a convenient scapegoat.
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Runnersworld has it too: http://www.runnersworld.com/scott-jurek/scott-jurek-responds-to-personal-attacks-misinformation-surrounding-state-park-citations?cid=social49727746&adbid=10152931301386987&adbpl=fb&adbpr=9815486986 (http://www.runnersworld.com/scott-jurek/scott-jurek-responds-to-personal-attacks-misinformation-surrounding-state-park-citations?cid=social49727746&adbid=10152931301386987&adbpl=fb&adbpr=9815486986)
Jurek has hired a lawyer but said he is going to wait to see what, if any, fines he will receive before pursuing any legal action.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/us/as-hikers-celebrate-on-appalachian-trail-some-ask-where-will-it-end.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/30/us/as-hikers-celebrate-on-appalachian-trail-some-ask-where-will-it-end.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0)
Interesting article in the NYTimes
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Mr. Almy, the district attorney, said he was prosecuting Mr. Jurek’s case because “the park is a sacred place and he was disrespectful.”
Let's not flatter ourselves here. It's not like Jesus wept atop the mountain (and if he ever did, he'd probably get a littering citation).
Good to hear Jurker has lawyered up. If you're going to tell him something is okay and then punish him in the most asinine way possible for doing it, maybe you should at least be quiet about it and not go into public character assassination mode.
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Let's not flatter ourselves here. It's not like Jesus wept atop the mountain (and if he ever did, he'd probably get a littering citation).
Good to hear Jurker has lawyered up. If you're going to tell him something is okay and then punish him in the most asinine way possible for doing it, maybe you should at least be quiet about it and not go into public character assassination mode.
Mr. Bissell sounds like he's super fun at parties... and frankly, I don't really understand their motivation. It seems like they don't want people to be allowed in the park at all.
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the idea that wilderness conservation = "no one can come here EVER!" for some people is unfortunate. Regardless, you're not going to win many supporters with a 'cite first, educate later' type policy.
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the idea that wilderness conservation = "no one can come here EVER!" for some people is unfortunate. Regardless, you're not going to win many supporters with a 'cite first, educate later' type policy.
I see a lot of this in national parks and other parks, some people would rather NO ONE enter a park then people enjoy it in the name of preservation and conservation.
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http://blog.scottjurek.com/post/128737480319/case-dismissed (http://blog.scottjurek.com/post/128737480319/case-dismissed)
DISMISSEDDISMISSEDDISMISSED!!!!
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I'm glad that an ultra support crew does NOT need to include a lawyer
:D
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HEWROTEABOOK!
https://www.amazon.com/North-Finding-While-Running-Appalachian/dp/0316433799/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= (https://www.amazon.com/North-Finding-While-Running-Appalachian/dp/0316433799/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=)
I hope he does a book signing on the summit of Katahdin and brings ALL THE CHAMPAGNE!
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Of course he did. Everybody does.
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