Author Topic: New shoes: Hooka One:One Clifton 2 (Read 12491 times)

Handsome Jack · « **on:** September 24, 2015, 01:55:23 PM »

Hooka One:One Clifton 2 (a stunning lime green). First pair on the second series. More or less the same, some extra padding on the upper and an extra shoelace eye.

Same ride. Same fit. Always a pleasure to go for that first run in new shoes you are used to. My last two pairs of Cliftons are each pushing 500 miles and my legs are feeling it.

caito · « **Reply #1 on:** September 24, 2015, 06:35:17 PM »

I just broke out my 2nd pair of Clifton 2s. Love them. The only change I'd make to the next update is to add a bit of reflective detailing.

Ice Cream · « **Reply #2 on:** September 25, 2015, 07:13:38 AM »

I just started running in a pair of hokas, and I am not very impressed. The slow you down, I think.

merigayle · « **Reply #3 on:** September 25, 2015, 07:58:26 AM »

Quote from: Ice Cream on September 25, 2015, 07:13:38 AM

I just started running in a pair of hokas, and I am not very impressed. The slow you down, I think.

There is a slight learning curve, imo, wearing them, but i never felt weighed down by them, they are very light. It took about 50 miles to get used to them. Sadly the newer ones still do not fit my foot right so I am still in the Skechers.

caito · « **Reply #4 on:** September 25, 2015, 08:18:47 AM »

Quote from: merigayle on September 25, 2015, 07:58:26 AM

There is a slight learning curve, imo, wearing them, but i never felt weighed down by them, they are very light. It took about 50 miles to get used to them.

I agree. Sometimes in my heavier Hokas I feel like I'm going slower, but my Garmin proves otherwise!

I PRed in the marathon last year in Hoka Cliftons.

Handsome Jack · « **Reply #5 on:** September 25, 2015, 10:43:01 AM »

Somebody here mentioned a "lack of responsiveness", maybe Fionn?

I get that and would agree. It's not an issue for me (I'm all about pounding out miles - nothing "speedy" these days) but can understand where a max shoe, especially the Clifton, would get that reaction.

siamesedream · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2015, 01:55:29 PM »

Down here they sell the spanish edition: Hoka Jaun Jaun.

Mom of Scooby · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2015, 07:45:39 PM »

Glad to hear because I read do e complaints that the new Clifton's were a lot more narrow... I need to add a new pair to my rotation soon so they will be broken in by marathon time

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Ice Cream · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2015, 07:58:54 PM »

Quote from: merigayle on September 25, 2015, 07:58:26 AM

There is a slight learning curve, imo, wearing them, but i never felt weighed down by them, they are very light. It took about 50 miles to get used to them. Sadly the newer ones still do not fit my foot right so I am still in the Skechers.

I think the soft sole slows you down, not the weight.

merigayle · « **Reply #9 on:** September 26, 2015, 06:27:50 AM »

Quote from: Ice Cream on September 25, 2015, 07:58:54 PM

I think the soft sole slows you down, not the weight.

I did not notice a slow down, but YMMV.

Fionn mac Cumhail · « **Reply #10 on:** September 26, 2015, 08:35:53 PM »

Quote from: Punky Spunk on September 25, 2015, 10:43:01 AM

Somebody here mentioned a "lack of responsiveness", maybe Fionn?

I get that and would agree. It's not an issue for me (I'm all about pounding out miles - nothing "speedy" these days) but can understand where a max shoe, especially the Clifton, would get that reaction.

I agreed with Wu that there is a bit of a lack, but it's a moot point for me on long distance...I'm not turning on a dime, so it's all good...

I'll never go back...I switched back to Mizunos after wearing out 2 pair of Hokas, and bought a pair of Hokas within about the first 100 miles....I was WAITING to get injured in the Mizunos (my old favorites)...I could feel an almost injury after every run...plus, a torn calf which might just have been a coincidence, but the Hokas helped it heal right up....

I MIGHT used the Mizunos on 10k and under...but for training, marathons and over, Hoka, baby...

ihop · « **Reply #11 on:** September 30, 2015, 01:54:13 PM »

Quote from: Punky Spunk on September 25, 2015, 10:43:01 AM

Somebody here mentioned a "lack of responsiveness", maybe Fionn?

I get that and would agree. It's not an issue for me (I'm all about pounding out miles - nothing "speedy" these days) but can understand where a max shoe, especially the Clifton, would get that reaction.

I agree with this "lack of responsiveness." I am not speedy and usually wear them on shorter runs. Sometimes I feel like I have to work harder to maintain my usual pace - like each stride takes more energy.

Fionn mac Cumhail · « **Reply #12 on:** October 01, 2015, 08:56:51 AM »

Quote from: ihop on September 30, 2015, 01:54:13 PM

I agree with this "lack of responsiveness." I am not speedy and usually wear them on shorter runs. Sometimes I feel like I have to work harder to maintain my usual pace - like each stride takes more energy.

I'm actually the opposite....like one step rolls into the next!

Handsome Jack · « **Reply #13 on:** October 01, 2015, 12:49:02 PM »

My stride is definitely changed in them. It caused some calf discomfort when I first started running in them earlier this year, but fine now.

Fionn mac Cumhail · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2015, 02:43:43 PM »

I did have to move on to the Bondi though...due to my strike, I can erase the bottom of a Clifton in 150 miles...and I don't mean "wear the tread down"....I mean I mean just about see my foot through it...but, they are light!!!

radial · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2015, 02:48:23 PM »

I'm on my third pair of Hokas (and I wear them ALL the way out, so that's a lot of miles). I'm sticking with them.

CheryG · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2015, 05:48:34 PM »

I'm considering a pair but am uncertain. I've been running and hiking fairly well in Saucony Hurricanes, but am always willing to try something new. I do a lot of trail running though and appreciate a shoe that's low to the ground.

Ice Cream · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:26:17 PM »

Quote from: CheryG on October 05, 2015, 05:48:34 PM

I'm considering a pair but am uncertain. I've been running and hiking fairly well in Saucony Hurricanes, but am always willing to try something new. I do a lot of trail running though and appreciate a shoe that's low to the ground.

DH kept tripping with them on trails because the sole is so thick.

CheryG · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:31:16 PM »

Quote from: Ice Cream on October 05, 2015, 07:26:17 PM

DH kept tripping with them on trails because the sole is so thick.

Aren't they a popular shoe with ultra runners though? Maybe it's a personal thing.

Mom of Scooby · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:50:20 PM »

Quote from: Fionn mac Cumhail on October 03, 2015, 02:43:43 PM

I did have to move on to the Bondi though...due to my strike, I can erase the bottom of a Clifton in 150 miles...and I don't mean "wear the tread down"....I mean I mean just about see my foot through it...but, they are light!!!

I have this problem too the tread on one side of my heel comes off.. I showed it to my running store friend.. Maybe I need to consider the bondi.. Is it a neutral shoe?

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caito · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2015, 07:54:51 PM »

Pretty much all of the Hoka models are neutral (meaning they do not have a medial post, which is how traditional shoes generally provide arch support) except for the Constant.

However, it seems that because of the wide midsole and excessive cushioning, "neutral" Hoka models seem to provide plenty of support for many overpronators.

When the Clifton first came out, I was certain it would be too neutral for me since I usually use a light-moderate stability shoe. But a video gait analysis showed very good alignment in the Clifton, plus I logged more miles than I ever had before without injury. Several of my former coworkers notice similar things.

CheryG · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2015, 08:15:17 PM »

https://youtu.be/zJF5nKIk7co

radial · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2015, 09:02:29 PM »

I wear their trail shoes. They do put you higher off the ground with all that loft, and that theoretically cranks up the leverage in an ankle roll situation, making it more likely that you would suffer damage if you make a misstep. But in practice, I find that after you get used to running on top of all that cushion, the shoes tend to do fine on uneven surfaces. Obstacles that would throw you off balance in shoes with a harder ride are just enveloped and neutralized. I like 'em.

CheryG · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2015, 09:11:18 PM »

Quote from: radial on October 05, 2015, 09:02:29 PM

I wear their trail shoes. They do put you higher off the ground with all that loft, and that theoretically cranks up the leverage in an ankle roll situation, making it more likely that you would suffer damage if you make a misstep. But in practice, I find that after you get used to running on top of all that cushion, the shoes tend to do fine on uneven surfaces. Obstacles that would throw you off balance in shoes with a harder ride are just enveloped and neutralized. I like 'em.

I'm not just talking an exposed roots uneven and tons of trail camber, I'm talking rocky trails where I stride from the top of one rock to another. It's why I don't run in the harder soled trail runners, I like to feel like my forefoot is wrapping around the rock a bit.

I have my doubts is all.

I have no idea who this guy is, it seems he's in hokas, but this is my goal run next year. The first trail he runs up, the Valley Way, there's a sign, is one I ran down a week or so ago.
https://youtu.be/ISbLVrvkN0I

radial · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2015, 09:48:13 PM »

Quote from: CheryG on October 05, 2015, 09:11:18 PM

I have no idea who this guy is, it seems he's in hokas

He seems like the real deal. Doesn't mean Hokas will work for you, but probably worth a try.

CheryG · « **Reply #25 on:** October 05, 2015, 09:51:11 PM »

Quote from: radial on October 05, 2015, 09:48:13 PM

He seems like the real deal. Doesn't mean Hokas will work for you, but probably worth a try.

He's Sage Canaday, I googled. Five hours for a Presi traverse, the day after racing the auto road, is quite impressive.

radial · « **Reply #26 on:** October 05, 2015, 10:28:39 PM »

Quote from: CheryG on October 05, 2015, 09:51:11 PM

He's Sage Canaday, I googled. Five hours for a Presi traverse, the day after racing the auto road, is quite impressive.

Yep, but Sage is sponsored by Hoka, so you have to consider the possibility that he's just selling his soul and that the Hokas are actually a terrible choice. That's where people like me and others here who have no commercial interest in the question come in handy. Buy a pair and see what you think.

caito · « **Reply #27 on:** October 06, 2015, 07:25:50 AM »

Sage Canaday is a legit trail/ultra champion.

Yes he's sponsored by Hoka and like most runners of his caliber, could run in Keds and kick major ass. But Hoka started gaining popularity among the trail/ultra crowd out west because the cushion is so protective on your feet on those rocky, technical downhills. I understand the concern about being a bit higher up though, but many trail/ultra people are loving the Hokas.

CheryG · « **Reply #28 on:** October 06, 2015, 08:19:39 AM »

I'll check to see if the 30 day guarantee is available through retailers and not just Hoka online. I'd love to give them a try to see what all the fuss is about. I'll never know until I do!

Fionn mac Cumhail · « **Reply #29 on:** October 06, 2015, 08:34:08 AM »

Quote from: CheryG on October 06, 2015, 08:19:39 AM

I'll check to see if the 30 day guarantee is available through retailers and not just Hoka online. I'd love to give them a try to see what all the fuss is about. I'll never know until I do!

They're not magic or anything, but they've saved me a ton of pebble bruises and allowed my PF AND torn calf to heal in record time while maintaining mileage (when EVERYTHING else said rest for 6 weeks)...

For a dude like me who'll run a lot more marathons but never win one, I don't know what more I could expect from a shoe...and, I typically can find last year's model for less than half of the current models, so price isn't prohibitive, even to a jobroni like me...

merigayle · « **Reply #30 on:** October 06, 2015, 10:24:29 AM »

I never had an issue with them on trails.

Virginia Plain · « **Reply #31 on:** October 06, 2015, 01:23:33 PM »

I'm terrified to try a new shoe but I'm interested in everyone's review.
I need a stability shoe and now have severe plantar fascitiis (I recall Fionn claiming that Hokas cured his PF) and possibly nerve damage (MRI to follow).

merigayle · « **Reply #32 on:** October 06, 2015, 06:09:44 PM »

I wear Earth negative heel shoes outside of running. My heel sits lower than the forefoot and this keeps the achilles stretched and really helps tremendously in preventing PF for me. And massage.

Fionn mac Cumhail · « **Reply #33 on:** October 06, 2015, 09:36:56 PM »

Quote from: merigayle on October 06, 2015, 06:09:44 PM

I wear Earth negative heel shoes outside of running. My heel sits lower than the forefoot and this keeps the achilles stretched and really helps tremendously in preventing PF for me. And massage.

That's cool...I have to work on my calves a lot...I never want to hear a muscle pop again...

merigayle · « **Reply #34 on:** October 07, 2015, 06:17:13 AM »

If I do not wear them to work, I get PF pain. I love them. They prob are not the cure for everyone, but for me it worked.

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