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Running => General Fitness => Topic started by: cgraz on December 10, 2012, 08:02:23 AM
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We have friends who are really into it, and mr. cgraz started doing it this fall - he likes it a lot.
I'm getting a lot of encouragement to check it out, and right now I feel like my workout time & budget are both pretty full with yoga and running, plus swimming at the Y (ok, so at this moment that part is not happening - but I generally start back up with that in Jan/Feb to get more into tri training mode), so I'm not doing it any time soon. But I won't say never - I am intrigued, although I'm not one to go whole hog into one thing, I might want to give it a try at some point.
Anyone here belong to a CrossFit gym? Tried any of the workouts?
Is this a gimmick or flash in the pan fad? Or legit conditioning for overall fitness?
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I've been curious and there's a CrossFit gym near me (I recently discovered) but I hear/read so much about big injuries and I'm prone to overuse injuries. Will be interested to read more responses.
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Hm, I guess no takers...
From what I hear, form is really important, and finding a good reputable gym that teaches proper form is something to look for. From what I've seen with mr. cgraz so far, it's not so much overuse injuries as it is doing too much, too soon, or rushing and pushing too hard. It seems like the workouts have a lot of variety from day to day, which I think is one reason he likes it.
Aside from the fitness itself, I have to say one huge thing about CrossFit seems to be the camaraderie and the accountability of going to the classes. I didn't realize at first that you don't just go to the gym and work out - it's always a group training class at regular scheduled times.
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I've done a bit of it. The crossfit gym scene is great for extra motivation, but the routines don't tend to require a lot of fancy equipment so you can generally work out at home. You don't have to go into it whole hog. Just try the workout of the day every so often and see what you think. The workouts can be pretty intense, so depending on your current level of strength and fitness, you may want to start with scaled down versions. Lighter weights, fewer reps, shorter periods, etc. Oh, and the Olympic lifts used by crossfitters are a little different. Get some help with that or watch the videos to get your form down. Have fun!
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I like the idea of c-fit but I have just seen too many people with pretty serious injuries to risk it. Mostly what I've seen is less over-use type injuries and more sudden stuff like torn muscles and the like.
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As I've said before I loved CrossFit I found it really fun competitive and motivating. my only problem was the expense most gyms charge up words of 100 dollars a month and since I already have a regular gym membership that was way too much but if you can find a Groupon coupon it might be worth it to try it out for a month that's how I got into it. I realize that you can do it from home on your own but that's sort of defeats the point of competing with those around you.
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Yeah, it is pretty pricey and to me, if you want to do anything else (ie, I also swim) then it's hard to justify that separate membership. I know the gym that mr. cgraz goes to here has run stuff in Groupon, etc. too. And they offer a free trial class so you can check it out before joining.
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I've got an ex-girlfriend who moved from Colorado back to Jersey to set up a Crossfit studio in Westmont
http://crossfitcetro.com/ (http://crossfitcetro.com/)
One of my best buds is a P90X dude, and I'd like to see the difference between the two; do a couple sessions [comped, perhaps] get schooled a little bit maybe?
Could be a little complicated, though
Did I mention the ex-girlfriend thing?
Yeah ... awkward
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I'd like to try it but there isn't a cross fit gym within 50 miles or so that I know of.
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I love it, I just do the mainsite WODs at the base gym. No fancy crossfit gym for me (and there's one a mile from my house, one of these days I'll check it out) There are some that are pure body weight exercises too, and all of them are easily scaled to your abilities. Intensity, not weight or repetition is the key.
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I have a few FB friends who do this and are completely, totally insufferable. Every freaking day is an update on how many burpees or modified pullups or front squats or heavy lunges they did. The hardcore Paleo diet is also not my jam.
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I see at least 37 different potential injuries in this picture.
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That's not how you do...whatever it is she's supposed to be doing. It's not from CrossFit.
I think we talked about this in Yammering: CrossFit tends to encourage that kind of group "here's what I did today" thing. There are a couple of apps that encourage it as well. It's not unlike the daily mileage thread in Running, you just don't get to decide if it hits your FB feed or not like clicking into a thread.
The focus is on competition with yourself: you record how many reps or sets of something you do or how much you lift and then try to improve on it next time. And some of the stuff we're able to do is pretty tough.
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That's not how you do...whatever it is she's supposed to be doing. It's not from CrossFit.
I think we talked about this in Yammering: CrossFit tends to encourage that kind of group "here's what I did today" thing. There are a couple of apps that encourage it as well. It's not unlike the daily mileage thread in Running, you just don't get to decide if it hits your FB feed or not like clicking into a thread.
The focus is on competition with yourself: you record how many reps or sets of something you do or how much you lift and then try to improve on it next time. And some of the stuff we're able to do is pretty tough.
I can understand some of the insufferability of crossfitters. Just like in many realms (running included) there are over the toppers. Crossfit just seems to have more than it's fair share.
And if you can get beyond the competitive stuff and ignore most of those youtube videos, there's a LOT of good hard work going on there. The guy that started the gym I'm going to was an Olympic lifter and had just gotten RKC certified when crossfit took off in Santa Cruz and then all over. He ignored it at first. But he also has a Master's degree in Kinesiology. Smart guy. He and I talk movement and stuff and I like his philosophy on having very correct mechanics
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CrossFit Founder Greg Glassman: "I'm a rabid libertarian" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EB0XyBUl0U#ws)
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he's a nucking fut
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That KoolAid must be SuperTasty
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They don't require you to drink it
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http://games.crossfit.com/video/pool-demo (http://games.crossfit.com/video/pool-demo)
Q: Are cross-fitters not allowed to wear goggles? (But, apparently swim caps are encouraged.)
A: They are supposed to jam bottle-caps into their eyeballs and use their X-Ray vision, being the SuperHumans that they are
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-jacobsonfried/crossfit-debate_b_3715259.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-jacobsonfried/crossfit-debate_b_3715259.html)
SPOILER ALERT: There's a twist in there, Diablita; I'm not picking on you this time
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A gym down the street from me just opened, offering "CrossFit Style Training" for $50/month. Interesting, attacking the brand monopoly and gauging going on in the CF community. All my local friends that do CF are -fuming- at this, saying lawsuits are coming, no one can work out "like" CrossFit unless it IS CrossFit, etc.
Pretty fascinating to watch!
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Haha! That's always been my beef with crossfit, it costs too much!
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Trademark infringement? That's a lawsuitin'.
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We have a place like that here but they don't say "CrossFit style". Nobody cares or bats an eyelash and their people just showed up for a big fundraiser WOD and we considered them part of the community. :shrug:
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A gym down the street from me just opened, offering "CrossFit Style Training" for $50/month. Interesting, attacking the brand monopoly and gauging going on in the CF community. All my local friends that do CF are -fuming- at this, saying lawsuits are coming, no one can work out "like" CrossFit unless it IS CrossFit, etc.
Pretty fascinating to watch!
don't know about this, but there is still debate within crossfit about what is good and what isn't.
Watching the games and the youtube videos --- things like kipping pullups. The guys with the degrees in kinesiology, at least the ones I know, advise you to stay away from that crap. Destined for shoulder injuries. But you see it encouraged in a lot of CF
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joshua-m-brown/crossfit-beginners_b_3867924.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joshua-m-brown/crossfit-beginners_b_3867924.html)
5. You will get insanely good at counting.
I'm in. With my OCD, I'm always doing math anyway, so ...
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http://www.salon.com/2013/09/08/crossfit_nation_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/09/08/crossfit_nation_partner/)
(http://media.salon.com/2013/09/Screen-Shot-2013-09-06-at-6.17.16-PM-2-541x412.png)
CrossFit mirrors American militarism
The fitness craze reflects the country's ongoing transformation from a culture of sports to a culture of war
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This military ethos runs to the core of CrossFit, shaping its very vision of fitness. In the same article where Glassman defines what it means to be fit, he grounds CrossFit’s approach to fitness in those who already exemplify it: “We are but sharing the methods of a program whose legitimacy has been established through the testimony of athletes, soldiers, cops, and others whose lives or livelihoods depend on fitness.” The standard invoked here isn’t so much about staying in shape as staying alive. Take, for example, the way in we should understand the muscle-up, a movement in which you begin by hanging from rings, pull yourself up through them, as you would in a pull-up, then drive yourself up, as you would in a dip, so that you end with your arms locked out, suspended in the air.[v] Master the muscle-up, says Glassman, and –
You’ll be able to surmount any object on which you can get a finger hold—if you can touch it you can get up on it. The value here for survival, police, fire fighter, and military use is impossible to overstate.
This need to be combat ready, to survive, also informs CrossFit’s foundational idea, the need to “cross” the kinds of exercise you do. “Our specialty,” writes Glassman, “is not specializing. Combat, survival, many sports, and life reward this kind of fitness and, on average, punish the specialist.”
So CrossFitters are all Spartans, now? And that makes the rest of us, what ...??
Yeah, it's kind of a reach
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So CrossFitters are all Spartans, now? And that makes the rest of us, what ...??
Yeah, it's kind of a reach
One dimensional slugs that deserve to be kicked down a well.
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One dimensional slugs that deserve to be kicked down a well.
(http://bluraymedia.ign.com/bluray/image/article/111/1116311/time-bandits-20100826042837444-000.jpg)
Evil: God isn't interested in technology. He cares nothing for the microchip or the silicon revolution. Look how he spends his time, forty-three species of parrots! Nipples for men!
Robert: Slugs.
Evil: Slugs! HE created slugs! They can't hear. They can't speak. They can't operate machinery. Are we not in the hands of a lunatic?
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https://medium.com/p/97bcce70356d (https://medium.com/p/97bcce70356d)
Everyone has an uncle they’d rather you not meet.
Please allow me to introduce you to Uncle Rhabdo, CrossFit’s unofficial and disturbing mascot. Uncle Rhabdo is a cartoon commonly referenced in CrossFit literature and representative of a troubling trend among CrossFitters.
He’s a clown. Literally.
The “Uncle Rhabdo” cartoon depicts an exhausted, yet well-muscled clown, connected to a dialysis machine standing next to some workout equipment. Concernedly, his kidney has fallen out and lays on the floor underneath him, along with some portion of his bowel. He’s left a pool of blood on the floor below him, but it’s not clear if this is from the disembowelment, the kidney’s arterial supply, or the collection of fasciotomies he appears to have endured. Uncle Rhabdo, of course, has Rhabdomyolysis.
Rhabdomyolysis, apart from being a subtly pleasant and melodic sounding word, is an uncool, serious and potentially fatal condition resulting from the catastrophic breakdown of muscle cells. We’ll get more into the specifics in just a bit, but first let’s begin with a story.
Ouch!
(http://www.crossfit.com/mt-archive2/Rhabdo3.jpg)
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I don't know if this counts as Crossfit, exactly, but it DOES kinda remind me of something a Russian friend of mine told me once
Спортивный Киев - город в котором я живу ( Street Workout ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvLQZVnz5WM#)
"Ukrainians are weird"
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<I'm of "weird" Ukraine bloodlines, but not a gymnast or acrobat.>
I'd love to be able to do even a crappy version of any of those moves.
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<I'm of "weird" Ukraine bloodlines, but not a gymnast or acrobat.>
You don't have what D'Wife and I refer to as "Oksana Baiul Fashion Sense," do you? Let's hope not
(http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p316/celebwarship/Celeb2/oksana1.jpg) (http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Opening+Night+Gala+Sports+Museum+America+ZTBujRd9RoCl.jpg) (http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/oksana_baiul_2005_06_07.jpg)
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No, thank goodness. ;)
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That's not how you do...whatever it is she's supposed to be doing. It's not from CrossFit.
I think we talked about this in Yammering: CrossFit tends to encourage that kind of group "here's what I did today" thing. There are a couple of apps that encourage it as well. It's not unlike the daily mileage thread in Running, you just don't get to decide if it hits your FB feed or not like clicking into a thread.
The focus is on competition with yourself: you record how many reps or sets of something you do or how much you lift and then try to improve on it next time. And some of the stuff we're able to do is pretty tough.
IMO there's a difference between posting about a run in the running sub forum of a running forum and posting your crossfit workout to everyone on Facebook who may not know or care what a burpee is.
I also think it's odd when people post their mileage on Facebook, though.
Mostly I think the who "all around fitness" thing is bunk. If a couch is so massive that I'm not strong enough to move it, a crossfitter probably shouldn't be doing it on his own either. In contrast to running, which benefits pretty much every other endurance activity, hiking, mountaineering, soccer, bicycling...
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Lookee, what I found!!! [she's at 0:36]
Albany Crossfit Strongman The worst weightlifting video in the history of weightlifting videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8up6A4QesU#)
Although the title card says "Albany Crossfit," I don't believe this is really a Crossfit workout; just a bunch of knuckleheads pretending to be weightlifters
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:roll:
As one commenter says, "don't know whether to 'thumbs up' for comic value or 'thumbs down' for the death inducing form." And what does that fake barbell weigh, 40 pounds or so?
ETA: "Let that bar just rise above your head." :skep:
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What's with that grip change half way through? :yikes:
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http://www.tabatatimes.com/top-ten-mistakes-crossfitters-make/ (http://www.tabatatimes.com/top-ten-mistakes-crossfitters-make/)
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:yikes: All I see are a bunch of women giving themselves hernias!
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yeah, those videos are pretty ridiculous.
All I will say about CrossFit is this:
One year ago today I had cancer.
Now I can deadlift 105#, benchpress 85# with the arm I couldn't bare any weight on for 6 months.
And the last 2 races I ran (first two since starting CrossFit) I got AG awards without much training and I've never come close to that before.
I'm not much of a Kool-Aid drinker (nor a Paleo eater) but I'm seeing real results.
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yeah, those videos are pretty ridiculous.
All I will say about CrossFit is this:
One year ago today I had cancer.
Now I can deadlift 105#, benchpress 85# with the arm I couldn't bare any weight on for 6 months.
And the last 2 races I ran (first two since starting CrossFit) I got AG awards without much training and I've never come close to that before.
I'm not much of a Kool-Aid drinker (nor a Paleo eater) but I'm seeing real results.
Everyone knows that cancer makes you a better athlete, just ask Lance. :sidesplit:
Kidding aside, I know a few people that have had great results with CrossFit. It can be very effective. However, if my own experience is a representative sample, 67% of all those who have success with it are complete douchebags when talking about exercise. :)
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Everyone knows that cancer makes you a better athlete, just ask Lance. :sidesplit:
Kidding aside, I know a few people that have had great results with CrossFit. It can be very effective. However, if my own experience is a representative sample, 67% of all those who have success with it are complete douchebags when talking about exercise. :)
:) I've seen this, though not at our box. And there were plenty of these types at the Bally's gym I worked at/worked out at years ago too. I think some boxes are magnets for the type.
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http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/the-workout-a-woman-in-nascar/ (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/25/the-workout-a-woman-in-nascar/)
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she's pretty awesome!
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she's pretty awesome!
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she's pretty awesome!
yep, she'll straighten out yer pistol
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa431/skipbadger/image001crossfit_zps6895d396.jpg)
But ... she's kinda taken
(http://i1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa431/skipbadger/christmas-abbott-9_zps2cdf3fa8.jpg)
NTTAWWT
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She is totally swoon worthy.
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That's a good looking couple right there. I bet they are freaking obnoxious about their snatches, though.
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can you blame them?
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That's a good looking couple right there. I bet they are freaking obnoxious about their snatches, though.
:roll:
but..um...wow.
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http://thesassysage.blogspot.com/2013/12/a-crossfitter-in-non-crossfitters-body.html (http://thesassysage.blogspot.com/2013/12/a-crossfitter-in-non-crossfitters-body.html)
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http://thesassysage.blogspot.com/2013/12/a-crossfitter-in-non-crossfitters-body.html (http://thesassysage.blogspot.com/2013/12/a-crossfitter-in-non-crossfitters-body.html)
she has nothing to complain about about her body, but i like her point overall.
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http://games.crossfit.com/article/whats-new-2014 (http://games.crossfit.com/article/whats-new-2014)
Really? Doping in CrossFit???
New Drug Testing Program
In 2014, CrossFit will expand out-of-competition (unannounced) drug testing. This means that any registered CrossFit competitor can be tested at any time during the year for any reason.
http://media.crossfit.com/games/pdf/2014CrossFitGames_DrugTestingProgram_140104.pdf (http://media.crossfit.com/games/pdf/2014CrossFitGames_DrugTestingProgram_140104.pdf)
Wow
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A little late to this discussion here, and to tell the truth I haven't given crossfit much thought (didn't even know what it was until last spring or so). I've done a modification of that once or twice a week with the xc skier/runner kids. Usually in the spring, but it's not nearly so intense. We do sets of pull ups, sit ups, dips, crunches, etc mixed in with a little bit of running. We've done this on the indoor track so it's 30 sec arm/30 sec torso, then you jog 100 meters and do another double. So this is more aerobic and we'll go 30 or 35 minutes. Do these early in the track season, maybe 3-4 times a year.
My opinion on cross fit is that it's probably well and good for getting in shape, and quickly but is it sustainable? And over time, you take a pool of people and have some build to an hour or so running a day (with a mix of training as they get more fit), and the other just does cross fit. In 6 weeks, the crossfitters might outperform the runners (maybe not), but in a year the runners (while probably not as buff) will likely be faster/better at running. Training is specific. So do you want to train to be a crossfitter or a runner (or a cyclist, swimmer, xc skier...).
Here's a good blog piece on Crossfit by Steve Magnus, University of Houston cross country coach/physiologist, and one of the top all time US high school milers (4:01 back about 10 or 12 years ago). http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2012/01/crossfit-endurance-tabata-sprints-and.html (http://www.scienceofrunning.com/2012/01/crossfit-endurance-tabata-sprints-and.html)
It's really long so here's his conclusion:
If we simply put crossfit endurance through the same kind of review we have:
Research- short term studies on high intensity training shows improved VO2max and in some cases performance, but we have looked at why those don’t apply neatly already. No research on crossfit endurance in particular
Theory- It goes against all known scientific theory for how endurance performance should be improved and how it actually happens.
Practice- No good runners do it. We know from history what happens and what kind of performance you get even if you do a lot of high intensity work with very little volume.
And lastly, it doesn’t help that they subscribe to every fad from diet to pose method of running that there is.
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There's a lot of good stuff in there. This line struck me early on:
Additionally, they really go after this hard work/pain = improvement and results idea. This is also known as the Rocky effect. But if you’ve been in the coaching business long enough you know that hard stupid work doesn’t get you anywhere. You can’t just do work that is painful just because it hurts and expect to get better.
I see this mentality again and again, and it drives me nuts. To expand a bit, I am skeptical of the training value of trail running as a workout, simply because in most parts of the country, trails only exist where the terrain is too steep to allow other forms of human development. Slogging up some 25% grade hill just seems to have no relevance for races that people might actually do. Similarly, many of my buddies are always looking to add some enormous hill to their cycling route (for example over 1000, or even 2000 feet of climbing, with some stretches at 10% grade). Other than building leg strength (which many people may not lack anyway), what exactly is the training benefit, unless you are going to race on similarly-sized hills? Hitting yourself on the head with a hammer is also not fun; that doesn't mean it's good training.
On a similar note, and this applies to Tough Mudder events as well, what makes optimizing for a marathon, or 800, or 5K so difficult is precisely that the event itelf is so predictable. Your training is designed to figure out exactly at which point each system is about to break down, and push it further, so you're always at the edge of your athletic ability. The randomness - not knowing what workout is next or having a different set of obstacles for each race - means that you can't possible push yourself to that point. Writing as a relatively good marathon runner, the fact that I have such a disproportionately fast marathon compared with other distances means that marathon pace itself is extremely difficult for me, much more difficult than it would be for someone with a relatively weak marathon.
Last, I've always taken issue with how crossfit defines generalization and specialization. In most of the pro-crossfit comments after the article, the commenter cites deadlift and clean jerk. Well, that's two things. For most of life's activities, running is actually excellent training. If I can't move a piece of furniture on my own, it's not because I don't do crossfit. Running fitness is the reason that I'm always the strongest backpacker on any trip I've taken, why I can manage to be useful in soccer and frisbee games despite having very little coordination, and why on my first ride with some dedicated recreational cyclists a couple of months ago, I had zero trouble keeping up.
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http://deadliftdungeon.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-conversation-that-has-to-be-had-about-crossfit/ (http://deadliftdungeon.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-conversation-that-has-to-be-had-about-crossfit/)
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:( that is so sad. I thought about that in the brief time i was at the Crossfit place. They are always like, throw it down, but what if down had you under it? I am actually surprised that it is not more common.
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From another forum
Actually he bailed correctly, what happened (and you can see it in the video) is that the bar landed on those stacks of plates behind him and bounced back to hit him in the back as he fell. A tragedy for sure, but completely avoidable if his platform had been clean. Whe you lift you must always be aware of what is around you on all sides.
Now, there are Zapruder-like frame-by-frame analyses going back & forth as to whether or not the bar fell straight onto his back or bounced into it
Crossfit Athlete Kevin Ogar severs Spine. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSl1r9DihSc#)
To my eyes, if you follow the weights on the bar, they go straight down, there's no bounce back up that I could see; nor any deflection in their path, other than what was caused by hitting him in the back. It also looks like the bar is rolling away as he lays down after being struck
Either way, I feel badly for the guy, and hope that he can have some semblance of an active life again someday
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http://deadliftdungeon.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-conversation-that-has-to-be-had-about-crossfit/ (http://deadliftdungeon.wordpress.com/2014/01/16/the-conversation-that-has-to-be-had-about-crossfit/)
This article makes an excellent point about programming in weight lifting -- how proper programming increases performance as well as safety.
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Not necessarily Crossfit, but certainly a bad decision was made here
Dead lift in high heels-FAIL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HTPI5oj8xE#)
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now that's just ridiculous. and no gym owner would want heels on their nice mat.
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now that's just ridiculous. and no gym owner would want heels on their nice mat.
Yeah, I kind of don't get why Fred seems determined to associate crossfit with unhealthy consequences. Seems forced and, in my experience, inaccurate. The crossfitters I know are some pretty awesome physical specimens.
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The crossfitters I know are some pretty awesome physical specimens.
Good for you & good for them
However, they appear to be far outnumbered by the knuckleheads; on YouTube, anyway
In the Spirit of Full Disclosure: I get some of these from an ex of mine who owns a Crossfit joint; she is equally entertained and mortified
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She posted this link
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http://nextlevelcf.com/2014/02/19/2-trends-that-will-kill-crossfit/ (http://nextlevelcf.com/2014/02/19/2-trends-that-will-kill-crossfit/)
As an owner, I'm sure that she sees ...
Killer Trend #1
CrossFit as a commodity
Killer Trend #2
Uneducated Coaches with little to no experience
...as Canaries in the Crossfit Coalmine
The Police - Dancing to "Canary In A Coalmine" (A Fanvid) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqDlXUrpOAU#)
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Are we reading the same article?
CrossFit has done more to change the landscape of the health and fitness field than any other athletic movement. If you deny that, you either don’t understand what it is, or your emotions are fueling your opinion. Whether you agree with what is done in CrossFit culture or not, the fact remains that in less than 10 years it has changed how the world views fitness, as well as expanded awareness in many other sports. And whatever the future holds, it will be more impressive because of CrossFit.
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That's all over my FB feed from CrossFitters today, too.
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That's all over my FB feed from CrossFitters today, too.
Are you listening to the WLC telecon? It's pretty interesting.
http://wholelifechallenge.us5.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=63a2faa3d899b52e3104eef0d&id=e7082c82af&e=f572fbf5af (http://wholelifechallenge.us5.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=63a2faa3d899b52e3104eef0d&id=e7082c82af&e=f572fbf5af)
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I didn't, but if you think it's worthwhile I might give it a listen later.
Are you doing the WLC as well, radial?
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I didn't, but if you think it's worthwhile I might give it a listen later.
Are you doing the WLC as well, radial?
No, I do something very similar though. I think the WLC guys have got a great attitude and I like their program, so I keep track. The audio thing last night was okay, but conference calls tend to put me to sleep so I didn't last long. :sleep:
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Are we reading the same article?
Has it? How? Other than crossfit gyms, the rest seems to be the same. Cfit didn't invent HIIT or Tabata, etc. Meh. I'm skeptical.
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I was too, RA. And I felt the same.
There is something about the thoughtful progression of programming to get to PRs in olympic lifting on the strength/skill side AND laying it all out on the table during the Metcon that is more effective for what I want to do now than anything I've done before.
I wanted to get my arm muscles back after my surgery. I bench pressed 85 pounds the other day, then did many reps of 65 pound power cleans during the metcon. And I can deadlift my own body weight (had to lose 5 pounds to do that. lol!)
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I think that's awesome. And, I know lots of people who love crossfit and have had great results. I'm not knocking it (my only annoyance is the evangelism of a certain sub-segment that insists running makes you fat ;;} and if you don't crossfit you aren't fit). I'm just saying that I don't agree with the statement radial quoted above:
CrossFit has done more to change the landscape of the health and fitness field than any other athletic movement. If you deny that, you either don’t understand what it is, or your emotions are fueling your opinion. Whether you agree with what is done in CrossFit culture or not, the fact remains that in less than 10 years it has changed how the world views fitness, as well as expanded awareness in many other sports. And whatever the future holds, it will be more impressive because of CrossFit.
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Yeah, I hear you. It's a bit much. And I kind of want to egg the couple of 0.0 cars in the parking lot even though they belong to friends. :)
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I'm not knocking it (my only annoyance is the evangelism of a certain sub-segment that insists running makes you fat ;;} and if you don't crossfit you aren't fit).
:shrug:, there is a lunatic fringe surrounding every popular discipline. Doesn't mean that crossfit is a total sham. Just that it's popular now, and therefore attracts its fair share of kool-aid slurping acolytes.
You should give it a try. With all the running, you might be fit enough now to get through an entire crossfit workout without puking.
KIDDING! :skeered: Except for the part about giving it a try :)
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Except for the part about giving it a try :)
It's funny that I keep telling my friend that I'll stop by her joint sometime [yes, I refuse to say "box" for reasons of decorum] to check it out; but she always says "Rand, you're a runner, a cyclist, a MTBer, a surfer, a skateboarder ... you do actual sports. You're gonna think this is all silly. But I'd love to have you stop by. Besides, you probably have some latent 'Old-Man Strength' that you haven't tapped into yet"
She is a cyclist, a skier, a snowboarder, and a rock climber herself ... also used to do a little in-line skate racing
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I don't think it's a sham. I just don't think it's redefined fitness. That's all. :) I might give it a whirl some day. But it doesn't interest me right now.
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I liked Crossfit, i just could not find a balance between that and ultrarunning, or any running for that fact.
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Someone sent me this today, and even though I see a lot of benefit to crossfit, it is pretty funny:
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/03/2unyge3y.jpg)
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I like what the group I've been meeting with the past 3 months has been doing -- its all outside (save those ice days we had a few weeks ago) -- the guy who runs it was a triathalete and graduated from the Citadel --and we are typically training at the same time as the newbs /cadets and/or the football team. We only do weights one day each week and those are dumbells for curls, presses, rows, tricep kick backs etc. --the rest of the week is a combination of push-ups, pull ups, abs, legs and running. Usually 3-5 miles worth after an hour. He'll use Tabata for workouts as well --and we'll do occasional straight-up track work too --e.g. 12 x 400 and in-between 25 crunches or something -- Its been working for me and no gym needed (I know the weather here helps)
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Came across this, felt like sharing. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/x3VYgrt.png) (http://www.smbc-comics.com/)
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Came across this, felt like sharing. :)
"Don't worry about the horse being blind, just load the wagon." - John Madden
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/transgender-lawsuit-crossfit/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/transgender-lawsuit-crossfit/)
Apparently, Crossfit doesn't quite understand how these things work
"The fundamental, ineluctable fact is that a male competitor who has a sex reassignment procedure still has a genetic makeup that confers a physical and physiological advantage over women," according to the letter from CrossFit's lawyer sent in October.
"(Jonsson) doesn't have an advantage over other women. She's been on estrogen for such a long time," [Jonsson's attorney] said about his client.
Hormone replacement therapy for transgender women includes anti-androgen therapy, which nullifies the effects of testosterone to reduce the masculine features of the body. Therapies can also consist of the hormones, estrogen and progesterone to feminize the body.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/transgender-lawsuit-crossfit/ (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/transgender-lawsuit-crossfit/)
Apparently, Crossfit doesn't quite understand how these things work
I don't buy the idea that a few rounds of hormone therapy eliminates everything male about your physiology. It's hardly anti-trans to ask whether that's a gross oversimplification.
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http://deadspin.com/who-are-the-bitchiest-most-defensive-fans-in-america-1542968511 (http://deadspin.com/who-are-the-bitchiest-most-defensive-fans-in-america-1542968511)
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/xt8ew0c3tswps8zfdnrm.png)
As you can see, Crossfitters are only a #6 seed in their region, behind:
1. Pit bull owners
2. Anti-vaccination nuts
3. Cat owners
4. New Jerseyans [they say "-ites" which is WRONG]
5. Cyclists
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That is brilliant.
Maybe I missed it:
Was there a play-in game of French vs California wine snobs for a 16 seed?
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I posit that the average cross fitter ranks higher because they also bleed into the #13 category of Paloe Dieters :D
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[jealous]
I hate her.
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what the what???
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Someone couldn't use a little Photoshop so that it doesn't look like she's pooping a Whiffle ball?
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Someone couldn't use a little Photoshop so that it doesn't look like she's pooping a Whiffle ball?
CrossFit bleaches your poo. :skep:
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One of the local cross fit gyms is doing a free 3x/week class for high schoolers. My daughter started going last week and, though very sore, seems to be enjoying it. :)
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One of the local cross fit gyms is doing a free 3x/week class for high schoolers. My daughter started going last week and, though very sore, seems to be enjoying it. :)
That's awesome.
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good for her! I'm glad she's enjoying it.
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One of the local cross fit gyms is doing a free 3x/week class for high schoolers. My daughter started going last week and, though very sore, seems to be enjoying it. :)
Unca Fred and the Greenman won't approve! :yikes:
:D I say, good for her! And good for you too. I bet the example you set didn't hurt a bit. Kids don't get the idea that physical fitness is important spontaneously. Someone has to show them the way.
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Unca Fred and the Greenman won't approve! :yikes:
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Well, she's two weeks in and seems to like it. :) I'm hoping they keep offering this program. Maybe I'll send them a note of appreciation.
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Two weeks is usually enough to get someone over the hump
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Unca Fred and the Greenman won't approve! :yikes:
I don't "disapprove" of CrossFit in any way; I disapprove of people getting themselves hurt just to save face with knuckleheads
And I disapprove of those knuckleheads who put others in a position to get hurt, just because THEY wanna look so fucking cool
If someone is in a new workout routine, and they doing regularly AND safely, and it's showing results [both inside AND out]; I totally support that
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/benefits-of-crossfit-running_n_3862352.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/benefits-of-crossfit-running_n_3862352.html)
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It's been great for my running. I've never won age group awards until I started doing CF.
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It's been great for my running. I've never won age group awards until I started doing CF.
So, there you go!
Well done!!!
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Dev is wicked fit. :rockon:
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Dev is wicked fit. :rockon:
As are you, dearie.
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It's been great for my running. I've never won age group awards until I started doing CF.
My DH didn't do crossfit (trademark), but did his own versions of some of the exercises via a trainer and on his own last year.
He ran 4 marathons with no injuries, and did a PB time @ Chicago. The no injuries, for his biomechanics, is almost a miracle.
I guarantee that that training made all the difference to his running.
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Great to read, Sbat. I didn't know that factored into his training.
Since that last post, I won another AG award (second in my age group). I'm in this sweet spot where I can squat and throw 14 pound balls at the wall AND none of the fast women in my age group are showing up at the races I run. :)
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While I don't do "CrossFit", I lift aerobically daily. The upper body strength I have has been critical for being able to drive the last mile of a race and still have a really good "kick".
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I've been doing Crossfit since the end of April and it's great - our trainers constantly pushing form, just so nobody gets hurt. Every class start with a skill session, just working on a specific movement, that will get incorporated into the WOD. And even then we're still getting our form corrected. We have people at all levels in a class from old farts like me, to a couple of people training for the Games.
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http://fittish.deadspin.com/rebuttal-no-crossfit-does-not-terribly-maim-or-disfig-1582870025 (http://fittish.deadspin.com/rebuttal-no-crossfit-does-not-terribly-maim-or-disfig-1582870025)
A video released yesterday claims to be the "Ultimate Crossfit [SIC] Fails Compilation," during which you see a common theme of pain and worst-case scenarios in the gym. Problem is, that's not CrossFit, according to a company rep.
"The majority of it was not people doing CrossFit," says Russ Greene, a CrossFit spokesman. "So that just indicates that this [video] person—and people in general—are confused about what it is. And that's understandable."
In the video, there is a clip from a powerlifting competition. CrossFit athletes may do Olympic lifting, but that's a completely different sport. There's also a clip from American Ninja Warrior training. That's TV.
Really, Greene says, the video should be called "Workout Fails" or "Athletic Fails"—but that's not as catchy. CrossFit is more than a fitness regimen; it's a cult and culture, a popular but insular community that has only recently begun to explain itself to the world.
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There are millions of people doing CrossFit every year. You probably know a few because they won't shut up about it. But the danger is taking a few anecdotes to categorize the whole.
Does the clip show any CrossFit gyms or athletes? Yes, Greene says, but many aren't. Regardless, there's a lot more to it than blindly box jumping and barbell-pressing.
"More people are learning about what it really is," he says, "rather than a caricature, which is not based on reality."
The vid in question is below, and I agree; just because something is done in a crappy warehouse doesn't make it CrossFit
Ultimate Crossfit Fails Compilation || FailArmy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74Xek-pDLM#)
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The xGF who runs the CF box sent this pic to me yesterday; I just may need to sign up & get one
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https://www.mastersfunctionalfitnessleague.com/ (https://www.mastersfunctionalfitnessleague.com/)
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I don't "disapprove" of CrossFit in any way; I disapprove of people getting themselves hurt just to save face with knuckleheads
And I disapprove of those knuckleheads who put others in a position to get hurt, just because THEY wanna look so fucking cool
If someone is in a new workout routine, and they doing regularly AND safely, and it's showing results [both inside AND out]; I totally support that
Haven't been in this thread for a while, but checked back and really like this post.
The other thing that keeps me at arms length is that I don't want to be any more of a self-obsessed douche than I already am, and the people that I know that have gone down the road with Crossfit are fucking INSUFFERABLE.
I'd love the results. I don't mind the work. I don't want to turn into that guy.
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http://fittish.deadspin.com/crossfit-sues-competitor-for-revealing-its-injury-rat-1603182256 (http://fittish.deadspin.com/crossfit-sues-competitor-for-revealing-its-injury-rat-1603182256)
CrossFit, America's high school weight room for adults, is suing the National Strength and Conditioning Association for publishing a study it says is "based on data that is objectively false" and "intended to scare participants away from CrossFit."
The study, published in November by the NSCA's Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research, is titled "Crossfit-based high intensity power training improves maximal aerobic fitness and body composition." Researchers from Ohio State's kinesology department examined the changes that occurred in a group of 54 CrossFit participants (all of whom, amazingly, were on a paleo diet) over 10 weeks, concluding that subjects lost body fat and increased their VO2 max, or oxygen consumption. But they also included one sentence that has become the center of the suit:
Of the 11 subjects who dropped out of the training program, two cited time concerns with the remaining nine subjects (16% of total recruited subjects) citing overuse or injury for failing to complete the program and finish follow up testing.
CrossFit claims that the study was "at best the result of sloppy and scientifically unreliable work, and at worst a complete fabrication." They sought out the nine members of the study, they say. "Those participants denied reporting that they failed to finish because of injuries. Indeed, those participants asserted that they had not been in contact with Mr. Devor and his team at all regarding their reasons for not completing the study, or regarding injuries in general."
It's just Reebok protecting its brand, truly
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How did Crossfit find those nine participants? If the study really was done at Ohio State their confidentiality rules would be in effect. We'll see if that assertion survives the discovery process.
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http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/the-fit-list/CrossFit-Your-Insecurity-is-Showing.html (http://www.outsideonline.com/fitness/bodywork/the-fit-list/CrossFit-Your-Insecurity-is-Showing.html)
(http://cf-resrc.outsideonline.com/S=W800,U/C=W100P,H100P/O=90,P/http://media.outsideonline.com/images/crossfit-outside-feud_h.jpg)
When CrossFit denied our request to cover the 2014 CrossFit Games, we decided to look into the organization's long history of bullying anyone who dares to ask the hard questions—or look too closely.
"Outside Online has published headlines and articles about CrossFit and the CrossFit Games that lead us to question Outside Magazine and Outside Online's editorial intentions," said the email from CrossFit Press, which arrived after we reached out to Greene.
Denying our press pass is like the NFL writing, "Dear ESPN, We can't let you cover the Super Bowl, because you covered the traumatic-brain-injury concerns of NFL players." By CrossFit's logic, every major media outlet in the United States should be blackballed, from the New York Times to USA Today, because we've all covered CrossFit injuries. Deadspin must certainly be on CrossFit's s*** list after publishing this gem about the NSCA debacle:
It exposes the fitness company far more effectively than the NSCA study ever did. In the lawsuit, all of CrossFit's neuroses emerge, as does its inner asshole.
The press-pass rejection not only made CrossFit look thin-skinned, it also made it look like the company has something to hide. And barring journalists from something is about the best way to ensure they'll pursue a story. On Thursday evening, I bought a $50 pass to Friday's CrossFit Games and went to see the competition for myself.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/fashion/crossfit-flirting-talk-burpee-to-me.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/fashion/crossfit-flirting-talk-burpee-to-me.html)
Joshua Newman, until last month a co-owner of CrossFit NYC, which says it is the world’s largest box, recalled a member in the gym’s early days who was nicknamed “Welcoming Committee.”
“He’d put the moves on every single attractive female who walked through the door,” Mr. Newman said. “He basically got drummed out after the point where the first dozen women he dated would warn off the next bunch of arrivals.” He added: “I think probably the birth of Team Dangerous at some core level does come from this idea of not dating people you’re going to have to see all the time — like not dating someone in your apartment building. Every New Yorker knows not to do that.”
Perhaps more than disciples of any other type of exercise, people who participate in CrossFit can’t help being drawn to people who do the same. This is partly because the exercise regimen inspires near-religious devotion, along with in-jokes (Q: How do CrossFitters do aerobics? A: They lift weights faster.); partly because the program has so many types of moves and workouts that it can be discussed for hours (“You need someone who understands the pain,” said Sharifa Dunn, 26, a Reebok CrossFit Fifth Avenue member who was at the bar night); and partly because so many adherents follow the Paleo diet, which forbids grains and dairy.
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At a beach share last summer, “two guys went to Costco and bought the equivalent of a cow, a pig, 50 fish and a lot of tequila, and we knew everybody would be happy with that,” said Julie Clow, 39, who frequently attends Team Dangerous events. (Tequila is considered the most Paleo-friendly of all alcohol.)
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http://fittish.deadspin.com/definitively-proving-existence-of-higher-power-nike-su-1644785644 (http://fittish.deadspin.com/definitively-proving-existence-of-higher-power-nike-su-1644785644)
Litigation-loving CrossFit has made a name for itself by suing the balls off anyone that messes with its "brand." Now one CF gym in West Palm Beach is finding out how the other shoe fits after Nike, Inc. has filed an action against the gym for blatantly ripping of its Jordan logo.
To be fair, CrossFit CityPlace did modify the logo—they turned it upside down, and claim that the man is not Jordan; he is in fact gym owner Matt Brewster balancing upside down on a kettle bell circa 2011.
The Jordan or "Jumpman" logo came from an SI photoshoot in 1984, and was adopted in 1985.
In the best bit of bullshit this Friday, Brewster is "astonished" at Nike's suit, according the Palm Beach Post, and claims—believes?—the images are not at all similar.
(http://media.cmgdigital.com/shared/lt/lt_cache/thumbnail/715/img/photos/2014/10/09/79/4b/100814_CrossFit_CityPlace_03.JPG)
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Reminds me of the West 6th / Magic Hat brew-haha
http://www.brewbound.com/news/magic-hat-and-west-sixth-brewing-resolve-trademark-dispute (http://www.brewbound.com/news/magic-hat-and-west-sixth-brewing-resolve-trademark-dispute)
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A blasphemy! Old Philly Punks, do you know what this used to be? I saw The Damned here in '82.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BclPEUzCQAAatFX.jpg)
I wonder how Henry Rollins would feel about this
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