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Testing is practically non-existent for masters.
Masters gray area. But if they can get a TUE for DHEA and testosterone, it would be hard to enforce. With women it might be easier to throw up a red flag if hormone ratios are way out of line. A record breaking female masters runner--trails and ultras I think--was caught and banned a couple years ago for DHEA. She was a PT but claimed that she didn't know that that was not legal. Testing is practically non-existent for masters.
She's still my friend but I'm pissed at her (and no I am not naming names here).
At the National T&F Championships, they do test for PEDs actually. Everyone who finishes in the top 3 in every age group in every event gets tested and all others (also-rans like me) get randomly tested. They haven't tested me yet. Of course, many older athletes are on all kinds of medications. A recent controversy erupted over a 70 year old guy who was getting testosterone treatments (legitimately for a condition), but they wouldn't let him compete.A friend of mine tested positive for something and had to forfeit her National age-group 60m hurdling championship and is kicked out of competition for 2 years. She's still my friend but I'm pissed at her (and no I am not naming names here).
No need to name names, but are double letters involved here?Simple Yes or No would suffice
So about a year ago a runner I know contacted me and she moved and was running with a certain running club. She said a memember of the club was a doctor and to,d her to start taking.....and it was a long list.She revealed that the doctor is a female 50+ runner that had never broken 1:30 for half before and just went 1:24. So along with the iron and b-12 injections, the list include DHEA, progesterone and testosterone. I wrote back that Steroids are not allowed period and that maybe progesterone and DHEA allowed under doctor supervision for menopause. I left it at that and figured "well now she knows and if she does take them it's on her"Seeing how much she wins and races per social media...I can assume she listened to her new friend.
knew your friend online from another forum, on which she no longer participatesthey didn't test on he roads in Tulsa nor as far as I could tell at club xc this fall, but good to hear that they are testing at T&F championships; nor did they test at usa xc masters championshipsNYRR does test masters at some events; I raced there last spring but it was probably seen as more of a fun run (no prizes or anything) even though there were 3000 or 4000 runners in itspeaking of which, WMA championships in Toronto next year - I am Loco enough to consider doing the 10000 m.
Everyone here has seen Icarus, right?Icarus | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix
Does the movie portray the real story?
This guy was in his 50's and ran up to 182 miles in a week for training plus speedwork.Runners World:"recognizes that the body weight factor plays into his improved times, but adds that he's comfortable with his current regimen and so sees no reason to experiment with fewer miles at this time. He believes that doing roughly 40 percent of his mileage on the treadmill is easier on his body, where he runs on a 3 percent decline, which gives him faster turnover.Zalokar has his sights set on the 2013 Rotterdam Marathon and a new personal best, possibly even a sub-2:30. "There are always new races to run, new mountains to climb, and new countries to visit," he says.TRAINING REGIMENSeptember 2-15, 2012, in preparation for Oct. 7 Chicago Marathon (2:35:10)SUNDAY: Half marathon race as training run in 1:22:47; 15 miles totalMONDAY AM: Half marathon tempo run on treadmill in 1:21, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 10 miles on road, easy (8-9 minutes/mile); PM: 7 miles on road, easyTUESDAY AM: 12 miles on treadmill (7-7:20 minutes/mile); NOON: (track) 2-mile warm-up, 10 × 400 @ 78-71 seconds with 200m jog between and 1.5-mile cool-downWEDNESDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 8-mile tempo run in 44:26 on treadmill, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 7 miles on road, easy; PM: 6 miles on road, easyTHURSDAY AM: 14 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: 9 miles on road, easyFRIDAY: 11 miles on treadmill, easySATURDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 7×2-mile repeats on treadmill at 11.4-11.2 mph, 4×400m @ 13.1 mph, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 4 miles on road, easySUNDAY AM: 32 miles on road, easy; PM: 8 miles on road, easyMONDAY AM: Half marathon tempo run in 1:20 on treadmill, cool-down until 16 miles total; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy; PM: 7 miles on road, easyTUESDAY AM: 13 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: (track) half-mile warm-up, 8×800m @ 2:49-2:39 with 200m jog between, 1.5-mile cool-downWEDNESDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 8 mile tempo run in 43:19 on treadmill, 4-mile cool-down; NOON: 7 miles on road, easy; PM: 6 miles on road, easyTHURSDAY AM: 16 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: 9 miles on road, easyFRIDAY: 12 miles on treadmill, easySATURDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 7×2-mile repeats on treadmill @ 11.5-11.2 mph, 4×400s @ 13.2 mph, 4-mile cool-down; NOON: 5 miles on road, easy"
Yes born at altitude--so maybe that helps some? That's the theory anyway.Ski about once a week, at 8500-9500 ft or sometimes 10000+ if I do a big climb. And I run at 7000-8000 about 2x a week, other days at 5200-6000 ft. Zalokar was not running as fast as 2011-2016, and doing some shorter races instead of the marathon. Maybe he's only a 60 mph instead of 180?
On the Runners World page in the mileage it says a tempo run of 8 miles which I calculate at 5:25 a mile. Maybe it on a decline on a treadmill, but if its actually tempo, you would expect race pace at 5:10 to 5:15 a mile.If he dropped mileage, I would expect 5 minute pace from him. So is it all bullshit?
Chris Froome is from Kenya
speaking of which, WMA championships in Toronto next year - I am Loco enough to consider doing the 10000 m.
That's fascinating that progesterone is in the cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs, when I've taken it for fertility treatments it's made me feel like crap. Even thinking about going for a run was exhausting.
Let me know if you do make it to Toronto. MEETUPMEETUPMEETUP!
I'll let you know. It's on my radar, these things don't come to North America very often.
I ran North American masters 400 meters in Toronto at 40. I will come and cheer.
56 year old triathlete busted for therapeutic T: https://www.usada.org/bill-beyer-accepts-doping-sanction/But it's largely procedural--he didn't report his use and get a therapeutic use exception (TUE). Meanwhile 44 year old cyclist Jeffery Miller was suspended for using a testosterone-HGH cocktail. https://www.usada.org/jeffery-miller-accepts-sanction/
Like my "friend" you wonder how someone wakes up someday and says "I am going to start taking a bunch of banned substances"https://enduranceworks.com/images/stories/downloadable_pdf/tdc_i11_beyer_project.pdf
When [sprinter Gil] Roberts failed a drug test, he mounted one of the more novel defenses in the history of sports doping. He said that he had kissed [girlfriend Alex] Salazar passionately, and that her sinus medication had entered his body.On Thursday, an appeals court sided with the passionate kissing defense. Roberts was exonerated.“There could have been tongue kissing, but it was more that she kissed me so soon after taking the medicine,” Roberts said Thursday, expressing relief that he had evaded a ban of up to four years for trace amounts of probenecid, a masking agent prohibited by sports regulators for its ability to disguise other drugs.
Video of race bandits getting their medals taken back at Miami Marathon 5K.
Video of race bandits getting their medals taken back at Miami Marathon 5K. http://www.facebook.com/ruizfrankie/videos/10156145611834866/