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Running => Running => Topic started by: Coyote Mas Loco on November 13, 2017, 09:37:42 AM
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The annual state road race rankings came out the other day and I was bumped down a place lower than expected. The time was outstanding for my age group, just over 34 for 10K at 5000 ft elevation. That's a top 10 all time USA mark as it is, and factoring for altitude it would be top 3. I'm not sure what the all time state record for the age is, but this would probably be a record. It was at a very big pro/citizens race. Never heard of the runner so I looked at race results and start photos and sure enough, the runner with that bib number looks to be in his early-mid 20s, not mid 50s.
Sigh. I know some here would bring out the pitch forks, torches, and boiling oil. I would not report this but you're talking record setting level and some random guy doesn't deserve to be on the books as the all time best for his age at 10K. So I'll copy the start photo and send it into the RD. We'll see what they say. If they don't act, it's going to Marathon Investigations.
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That sucks, Wilson
The important question is: were double letters involved in any way?
Stephen Costello, of Abbotsford Park Road Club, tested positive for 1,3-Dimethylbutylamine, Ostarine, and GW1516 after finishing in 95th place in the Stone Wheelers 25-mile time trial on May 20, 2017.
Sure enough, double letters
I find the double letters thing increasingly troubling, as my last name has double letters in it.
Does that mean I am doomed to repeat the fate of those with double letters and should give in to the inevitable and start getting on gear?
Or is it more "not all people with double letters are cheaters, but all cheaters have double letters"?
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Indeed they were. Came out of wave BB (6th wave). My guess is a college age son used his dad's bib. Or maybe just bought it off the dark web.
That sucks, Wilson
The important question is: were double letters involved in any way?
Sure enough, double letters
I find the double letters thing increasingly troubling, as my last name has double letters in it.
Does that mean I am doomed to repeat the fate of those with double letters and should give in to the inevitable and start getting on gear?
Or is it more "not all people with double letters are cheaters, but all cheaters have double letters"?
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If Dad gave his kid the bib and said "Go get me a Top Ten," that's more of a "bib mule" situation than a simple swap
I think a bib swap is just to get into a race that's sold out, instead totally banditting, whereas a bib mule takes [or is given] a person's bib to run for a BQ or AG podium [making sure the person gets the right bib back before the awards]
YMMV
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Can only speculate on what happened. A number of scenarios. Anyway, it's done I sent in a letter with the result linked in, the improbability of the result from an unknown runner, and 2 pictures from the start showing a young man (looking remarkably like Kemibe did 20 years ago!) heading off line. We'll see what they say.
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Good luck, and we all hope for a satisfactory resolution
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Good luck with this. I'm sorry it happened and I understand feeling like you shouldn't have to deal with it. And you shouldn't. But I'm glad you are.
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Yikes. Let us know the outcome. :fingers:
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Yeah, that would piss me off too. Take him down.
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That sucks. I hope you will report on what is happening. And I am glad you took action.
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I never heard of the term Bib mule before this, I’m naïve. Good luck Wilson.
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First used on Runnersworld in February 2016
https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/cheaters-beware-this-guy-is-on-to-you (https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/cheaters-beware-this-guy-is-on-to-you)
marathoninvestigation.com launched in May 2015, with the first used of the term "bib mule" there in a comment in April 2016
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2016/04/boston-2016-wild-mountain-runners-club-a-single-member-ran-qualifying-times-for-3-different-runners.html (https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2016/04/boston-2016-wild-mountain-runners-club-a-single-member-ran-qualifying-times-for-3-different-runners.html)
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You know I would totally go after it. good luck
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You know I would totally go after it. good luck
That's true!
I wrote up and sent a note on Monday - no word yet. Maybe it's being ignored or going through some channels; it was just on their general email. If I don't hear anything in a week, I'll mail a letter directly to the RD. If there is no action, then it's going to Murph and Marathon Investigations.
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You got me & Rochey with you, Wilson. Maybe if you PM us the link, then the both of us can email the race as well?
"It has come to our attention, that ..."
One person being a "pest" can be ignored, but if a couple or more get in on it ...?
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White singlet, BB232 on the far right with arrow above his head. Resolution isn't good, but he doesn't look 55.
(https://i.imgur.com/tyFrFOh.jpg)
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Resolution isn't good, but he doesn't look 55.
I dunno man, neither do I for that matter
Does the person registered as #232 have any results in athlinks to other races you could grab a photo from?
That might be what Derek would do
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I did a quick check using the name and hometown and only found a 2012 or so result, a 23 min XC 5K at NTN (Nike XC SW regional meet). So my possible theory is the dad ran the 23, and the son ran in the meet but I didn't dig further to find the son. No other results from a person of that name/age came up on a general search or on athlinks. It should be obvious. Nor was I able to find any more pictures from later in the race. The photo section was really lame.
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I dunno man, neither do I for that matter
Does the person registered as #232 have any results in athlinks to other races you could grab a photo from?
That might be what Derek would do
do you look 23?
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I'm a youthful looking elf, but not THAT youthful, no
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This solidifies my theory. I went back to the NXN site found a runner with same last name, apparently from my state no less. Did name a search and
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I think I found something!!! And it's EPIC
I'll PM you, Wilson & Rochey
Dude's fucking busted!!!
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I think I found something!!! And it's EPIC
I'll PM you, Wilson & Rochey
Dude's fucking busted!!!
we want to know, too!
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I think I found something!!! And it's EPIC
I'll PM you, Wilson & Rochey
Dude's fucking busted!!!
😎
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we want to know, too!
😎
OK, without naming names [because honestly, if I can do this, anyone can] I looked up the results for the bib-holder in Wilson's pic, went down one path to find some results from other races for pix from them, and got nowhere
So, I circled back & did a simple Google search for name & place. I got a hit on FB, naturally. The dude didn't have any pix on himself on his page, but his WIFE did ... and yeah, he's NOT The guy in Wilson's start line pic ... but one of his kids might be
Wilson and I have all the links, so if we need to escalate ... :bat:
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OK, without naming names [because honestly, if I can do this, anyone can] I looked up the results for the bib-holder in Wilson's pic, went down one path to find some results from other races for pix from them, and got nowhere
So, I circled back & did a simple Google search for name & place. I got a hit on FB, naturally. The dude didn't have any pix on himself on his page, but his WIFE did ... and yeah, he's NOT The guy in Wilson's start line pic ... but one of his kids might be
Wilson and I have all the links, so if we need to escalate ... :bat:
Okay, it just so you know I can't do my workout until I have answers.
Oh wait....never mind...I forgot ds1 coming home. My house will be trashed. He is the living pigpen.
I gotta get it done and then proof my house.
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YAS! This is better than moonwalking allison! Get after it, gumshoes!
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Yeah, absolutely. I'm glad you're reporting it. Changing race standings isn't ok.
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Post this on Letsrun and these people will get shredded.
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I was thinking Slowtwitch, myself
We haven't had a good Twitch-hunt in a while
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RM did you get my note the other day?
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yep, I did
Gonna fire something off over the weekend [PM me your email, so I can put you on copy]
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Rand Helsing, the Bib-Hunter
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The fuse is lit
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Only been a day (2 weeks and counting since I mailed the initial report) but waiting :eating-popcorn-03: :sportscaster:
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Derek's kinda busy right now
https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2017/11/philadelphia-marathon-analysis-underway.html (https://www.marathoninvestigation.com/2017/11/philadelphia-marathon-analysis-underway.html)
There actually was a runner that finished the first half in over 3 hours, and the 2nd half in about 20 minutes. I think that was more the case of someone just bailing – although there is no reason to cross the finish. That runner is currently sitting in first place in their age group. They are sure to be removed from the results.
But I'm sure he'll be on our side when he gets the time
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Just arrived in my inbox
Hi Crazy Coyote,
You may have noticed that XX YYYY was removed from the results.
Best regards,
HR Seasonal Resources
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YASSSSSSSSSSS
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Just arrived in my inbox
Hi Crazy Coyote,
You may have noticed that XX YYYY was removed from the results.
Best regards,
HR Seasonal Resources
Wait?
You mean .... ?? ?
We actually pulled it off???!!!
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Wait?
You mean .... ?? ?
We actually pulled it off???!!!
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Yup! Good work, the old 1-2!
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:obh:
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Glad this worked out!
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:dosido:
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