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Title: Speaking of cheating
Post by: SnarlyMarly on January 09, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
So about a year ago a runner I know contacted me and she moved and was running with a certain running club.   She said a memember of the club was a doctor and to,d her to start taking.....and it was a long list.

She revealed that the doctor is a female 50+ runner that had never broken 1:30 for half before and just went 1:24.

So along with the iron and b-12 injections, the list include DHEA, progesterone and testosterone.   I wrote back that Steroids are not allowed period and that maybe progesterone and DHEA allowed under doctor supervision for menopause.  I left it at that and figured "well now she knows and if she does take them it's on her"

Seeing how much she wins and races per social media...I can assume she listened to her new friend. 
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 09, 2018, 02:36:00 PM
Am I to understand that they're BOTH doping? Her and the doctor-runner?

On the one hand, it may be a legit TUE [Therapeutic Use Exemption] but on the other hand, that seems like pretty excessive cocktail

I'm guessing the races she's winning aren't drug testing

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Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 09, 2018, 05:44:34 PM
Masters gray area. But if they can get a TUE for DHEA and testosterone, it would be hard to enforce. With women it might be easier to throw up a red flag if hormone ratios are way out of line. A record breaking female masters runner--trails and ultras I think--was caught and banned a couple years ago for DHEA. She was a PT but claimed that she didn't know that that was not legal. Testing is practically non-existent for masters. 
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 09, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
Age Group doping in local [non-drug-tested] races may more rampant than we care to admit or investigate

Testing is practically non-existent for masters. 

Unless they're tipped off, maybe?

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/british-racing/60-year-old-time-triallist-given-four-year-doping-ban-after-claiming-wife-spiked-his-smoothies-358320?utm_content=manual&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=cyclingweekly (http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/racing/british-racing/60-year-old-time-triallist-given-four-year-doping-ban-after-claiming-wife-spiked-his-smoothies-358320?utm_content=manual&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_term=cyclingweekly)
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: SnarlyMarly on January 10, 2018, 08:58:45 AM
Masters gray area. But if they can get a TUE for DHEA and testosterone, it would be hard to enforce. With women it might be easier to throw up a red flag if hormone ratios are way out of line. A record breaking female masters runner--trails and ultras I think--was caught and banned a couple years ago for DHEA. She was a PT but claimed that she didn't know that that was not legal. Testing is practically non-existent for masters.


But even then, she was at an event with random testing and she didn't even win the masters title...wasn't she second.    I have only seen testing once and it was Ottawa marathon.   But even there they only appeared interested in the top Canadian athletes.   For many years, the marathons in my area gave prize money.  Russian women had a field day.  Would easily pick up 2500-5k for 2:40 marathon and then do another one the next weekend.

Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Arrojo on January 10, 2018, 02:58:12 PM
Testing is practically non-existent for masters. 

At the National T&F Championships, they do test for PEDs actually.  Everyone who finishes in the top 3 in every age group in every event gets tested and all others (also-rans like me) get randomly tested.   They haven't tested me yet.   8)  Of course, many older athletes are on all kinds of medications.  A recent controversy erupted over a 70 year old guy who was getting testosterone treatments (legitimately for a condition), but they wouldn't let him compete.


A friend of mine tested positive for something and had to forfeit her National age-group 60m hurdling championship and is kicked out of competition for 2 years.  She's still my friend but I'm pissed at her (and no I am not naming names here).
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 10, 2018, 04:31:46 PM
Everyone here has seen Icarus, right?

Icarus | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoRdSTrR-4#)
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 10, 2018, 04:35:03 PM
She's still my friend but I'm pissed at her (and no I am not naming names here).

No need to name names, but are double letters involved here?

Simple Yes or No would suffice
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 10, 2018, 04:37:18 PM
At the National T&F Championships, they do test for PEDs actually.  Everyone who finishes in the top 3 in every age group in every event gets tested and all others (also-rans like me) get randomly tested.   They haven't tested me yet.   8)  Of course, many older athletes are on all kinds of medications.  A recent controversy erupted over a 70 year old guy who was getting testosterone treatments (legitimately for a condition), but they wouldn't let him compete.


A friend of mine tested positive for something and had to forfeit her National age-group 60m hurdling championship and is kicked out of competition for 2 years.  She's still my friend but I'm pissed at her (and no I am not naming names here).

knew your friend online from another forum, on which she no longer participates

they didn't test on he roads in Tulsa nor as far as I could tell at club xc this fall, but good to hear that they are testing at T&F championships; nor did they test at usa xc masters championships

NYRR does test masters at some events; I raced there last spring but it was probably seen as more of a fun run (no prizes or anything) even though there were 3000 or 4000 runners in it

speaking of which, WMA championships in Toronto next year - I am Loco enough to consider doing the 10000 m.

Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Arrojo on January 10, 2018, 08:08:27 PM
No need to name names, but are double letters involved here?

Simple Yes or No would suffice

No
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 10, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
So about a year ago a runner I know contacted me and she moved and was running with a certain running club.   She said a memember of the club was a doctor and to,d her to start taking.....and it was a long list.

She revealed that the doctor is a female 50+ runner that had never broken 1:30 for half before and just went 1:24.

So along with the iron and b-12 injections, the list include DHEA, progesterone and testosterone.   I wrote back that Steroids are not allowed period and that maybe progesterone and DHEA allowed under doctor supervision for menopause.  I left it at that and figured "well now she knows and if she does take them it's on her"

Seeing how much she wins and races per social media...I can assume she listened to her new friend.

Wikipedia:

"Testosterone and other androgens have an erythropoietic stimulating effect that can cause polycythemia, which manifests as an increase in hemoglobin, hematocrit, or red blood cell count."

So how is this any different than taking EPO, CERA or other drugs to jack up the red blood cell count. Two of the 2:18 female marathoners were caught cheating with chemicals. The 50 year old female isn't any different.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 10, 2018, 09:10:07 PM
Doped to the gills.

https://runningmagazine.ca/russian-marathoner-and-masters-world-record-holder-suspended-for-doping/

2:22 at 41
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Arrojo on January 10, 2018, 10:46:29 PM
knew your friend online from another forum, on which she no longer participates

they didn't test on he roads in Tulsa nor as far as I could tell at club xc this fall, but good to hear that they are testing at T&F championships; nor did they test at usa xc masters championships

NYRR does test masters at some events; I raced there last spring but it was probably seen as more of a fun run (no prizes or anything) even though there were 3000 or 4000 runners in it

speaking of which, WMA championships in Toronto next year - I am Loco enough to consider doing the 10000 m.


I think it’s a USATF thing. Also at the world’s. Good luck!  I’m just happy competing and not embarrassing myself at nationals – I can’t imagine doing worlds.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: SnarlyMarly on January 11, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
Everyone here has seen Icarus, right?

Icarus | Official Trailer [HD] | Netflix (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXoRdSTrR-4#)

Nope....sometimes I just want to stay in my world of naivety and believe that doping doesn't happen at age group level.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 11, 2018, 12:16:31 PM
Well, that's how the movie starts ... then it becomes something completely different  :panic:
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 11, 2018, 01:12:49 PM
I never saw the movie.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/27/573870686/russian-doping-whistleblower-says-he-fears-for-his-life (https://www.npr.org/2017/12/27/573870686/russian-doping-whistleblower-says-he-fears-for-his-life)

Does the movie portray the real story?

The question is who do you think is clean in all sports?
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 11, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
This guy was in his 50's and ran up to 182 miles in a week for training plus speedwork.
Runners World:
"recognizes that the body weight factor plays into his improved times, but adds that he's comfortable with his current regimen and so sees no reason to experiment with fewer miles at this time. He believes that doing roughly 40 percent of his mileage on the treadmill is easier on his body, where he runs on a 3 percent decline, which gives him faster turnover.

Zalokar has his sights set on the 2013 Rotterdam Marathon and a new personal best, possibly even a sub-2:30. "There are always new races to run, new mountains to climb, and new countries to visit," he says.

TRAINING REGIMEN

September 2-15, 2012, in preparation for Oct. 7 Chicago Marathon (2:35:10)

SUNDAY: Half marathon race as training run in 1:22:47; 15 miles total
MONDAY AM: Half marathon tempo run on treadmill in 1:21, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 10 miles on road, easy (8-9 minutes/mile); PM: 7 miles on road, easy
TUESDAY AM: 12 miles on treadmill (7-7:20 minutes/mile); NOON: (track) 2-mile warm-up, 10 × 400 @ 78-71 seconds with 200m jog between and 1.5-mile cool-down
WEDNESDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 8-mile tempo run in 44:26 on treadmill, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 7 miles on road, easy; PM: 6 miles on road, easy
THURSDAY AM: 14 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy
FRIDAY: 11 miles on treadmill, easy
SATURDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 7×2-mile repeats on treadmill at 11.4-11.2 mph, 4×400m @ 13.1 mph, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 4 miles on road, easy
SUNDAY AM: 32 miles on road, easy; PM: 8 miles on road, easy
MONDAY AM: Half marathon tempo run in 1:20 on treadmill, cool-down until 16 miles total; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy; PM: 7 miles on road, easy
TUESDAY AM: 13 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: (track) half-mile warm-up, 8×800m @ 2:49-2:39 with 200m jog between, 1.5-mile cool-down
WEDNESDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 8 mile tempo run in 43:19 on treadmill, 4-mile cool-down; NOON: 7 miles on road, easy; PM: 6 miles on road, easy
THURSDAY AM: 16 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy
FRIDAY: 12 miles on treadmill, easy
SATURDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 7×2-mile repeats on treadmill @ 11.5-11.2 mph, 4×400s @ 13.2 mph, 4-mile cool-down; NOON: 5 miles on road, easy"
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 11, 2018, 03:28:22 PM
Does the movie portray the real story?

Yes, as it is happening, in fact

NO SPOILERS, but there are a couple points were you think "Oh fuck, he's dead, or will be soon"

Of course, that's only from the AMERICAN POV; in Russia, it was all made up by a delusional schizophrenic
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 12, 2018, 01:04:26 PM
Talking Heads - Live in Rome 1980 - 05 Drugs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOiDdXwdLH8#)

Pills (Official Visual) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sfrCVYZV7k#)
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Rochey on January 12, 2018, 04:36:50 PM
So about a year ago a runner I know contacted me and she moved and was running with a certain running club.   She said a memember of the club was a doctor and to,d her to start taking.....and it was a long list.

She revealed that the doctor is a female 50+ runner that had never broken 1:30 for half before and just went 1:24.

So along with the iron and b-12 injections, the list include DHEA, progesterone and testosterone.   I wrote back that Steroids are not allowed period and that maybe progesterone and DHEA allowed under doctor supervision for menopause.  I left it at that and figured "well now she knows and if she does take them it's on her"

Seeing how much she wins and races per social media...I can assume she listened to her new friend. 

I want what she's on!   :D
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 12, 2018, 05:11:20 PM
This guy was in his 50's and ran up to 182 miles in a week for training plus speedwork.
Runners World:
"recognizes that the body weight factor plays into his improved times, but adds that he's comfortable with his current regimen and so sees no reason to experiment with fewer miles at this time. He believes that doing roughly 40 percent of his mileage on the treadmill is easier on his body, where he runs on a 3 percent decline, which gives him faster turnover.

Zalokar has his sights set on the 2013 Rotterdam Marathon and a new personal best, possibly even a sub-2:30. "There are always new races to run, new mountains to climb, and new countries to visit," he says.

TRAINING REGIMEN

September 2-15, 2012, in preparation for Oct. 7 Chicago Marathon (2:35:10)

SUNDAY: Half marathon race as training run in 1:22:47; 15 miles total
MONDAY AM: Half marathon tempo run on treadmill in 1:21, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 10 miles on road, easy (8-9 minutes/mile); PM: 7 miles on road, easy
TUESDAY AM: 12 miles on treadmill (7-7:20 minutes/mile); NOON: (track) 2-mile warm-up, 10 × 400 @ 78-71 seconds with 200m jog between and 1.5-mile cool-down
WEDNESDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 8-mile tempo run in 44:26 on treadmill, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 7 miles on road, easy; PM: 6 miles on road, easy
THURSDAY AM: 14 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy
FRIDAY: 11 miles on treadmill, easy
SATURDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 7×2-mile repeats on treadmill at 11.4-11.2 mph, 4×400m @ 13.1 mph, 3-mile cool-down; NOON: 4 miles on road, easy
SUNDAY AM: 32 miles on road, easy; PM: 8 miles on road, easy
MONDAY AM: Half marathon tempo run in 1:20 on treadmill, cool-down until 16 miles total; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy; PM: 7 miles on road, easy
TUESDAY AM: 13 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: (track) half-mile warm-up, 8×800m @ 2:49-2:39 with 200m jog between, 1.5-mile cool-down
WEDNESDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 8 mile tempo run in 43:19 on treadmill, 4-mile cool-down; NOON: 7 miles on road, easy; PM: 6 miles on road, easy
THURSDAY AM: 16 miles on treadmill, easy; NOON: 9 miles on road, easy
FRIDAY: 12 miles on treadmill, easy
SATURDAY AM: 2-mile warm-up, 7×2-mile repeats on treadmill @ 11.5-11.2 mph, 4×400s @ 13.2 mph, 4-mile cool-down; NOON: 5 miles on road, easy"

he's in my age group, but known as more of a marathoner and has had a great string of success at that distance - I was 2 for 2 on him this fall at 15K and 10K XC.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 13, 2018, 07:58:51 AM
Yes, were you born at altitude? How much Nordic skiing do you do at altitude.
Congrats.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 13, 2018, 08:59:53 AM
Yes born at altitude--so maybe that helps some? That's the theory anyway.

Ski about once a week, at 8500-9500 ft or sometimes 10000+ if I do a big climb. And I run at 7000-8000 about 2x a week, other days at 5200-6000 ft.

Zalokar was not running as fast as 2011-2016, and doing some shorter races instead of the marathon. Maybe he's only a 60 mph instead of 180? 
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 13, 2018, 11:35:02 AM
Yes born at altitude--so maybe that helps some? That's the theory anyway.

Ski about once a week, at 8500-9500 ft or sometimes 10000+ if I do a big climb. And I run at 7000-8000 about 2x a week, other days at 5200-6000 ft.

Zalokar was not running as fast as 2011-2016, and doing some shorter races instead of the marathon. Maybe he's only a 60 mph instead of 180?

On the Runners World page in the mileage it says a tempo run of 8 miles which I calculate at 5:25 a mile. Maybe it on a decline on a treadmill, but if its actually tempo, you would expect race pace at 5:10 to 5:15 a mile.

If he dropped mileage, I would expect 5 minute pace from him. So is it all bullshit?
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 13, 2018, 11:39:31 AM
My buddy did Nordic skiing in an altitude simulator in the early 80's and he ran 51 minutes for 10 miles at low altitude. ( Crim )

Ryan Hall lived at Big Bear altitude in his formative years.

I'd like to see the science behind altitude born or raised runners.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 13, 2018, 12:25:57 PM
Chris Froome is from Kenya
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 13, 2018, 02:54:27 PM
On the Runners World page in the mileage it says a tempo run of 8 miles which I calculate at 5:25 a mile. Maybe it on a decline on a treadmill, but if its actually tempo, you would expect race pace at 5:10 to 5:15 a mile.

If he dropped mileage, I would expect 5 minute pace from him. So is it all bullshit?

Interesting - yeah a tempo like that indicates sub low or 32 10K and sub 2:30 marathon fitness, which may well been close to where he was in his early 50s. But maybe it's catching up. I noticed his 5K time at USATF (Syracuse) last fall wasn't off the charts like his longer stuff has been, and he was at about the same level for later races. Maybe taking it easier for the fall.

I was totally intimidated lining up next to him in October.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 13, 2018, 04:38:54 PM
Chris Froome is from Kenya

Wow. First 12 years at 5889 feet altitude.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: nadra24 on January 14, 2018, 12:39:19 PM
That's fascinating that progesterone is in the cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs, when I've taken it for fertility treatments it's made me feel like crap. Even thinking about going for a run was exhausting.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fast Eddie on January 15, 2018, 10:37:50 PM

speaking of which, WMA championships in Toronto next year - I am Loco enough to consider doing the 10000 m.

Let me know if you do make it to Toronto.  MEETUPMEETUPMEETUP!
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Plugging Along on January 16, 2018, 12:11:50 AM
That's fascinating that progesterone is in the cocktail of performance-enhancing drugs, when I've taken it for fertility treatments it's made me feel like crap. Even thinking about going for a run was exhausting.

I think progesterone might be a masking drug used to hide the other stuff.
Barry Bonds was taking a fertility drug to hide the steroids.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 16, 2018, 09:42:03 AM
Let me know if you do make it to Toronto.  MEETUPMEETUPMEETUP!

I'll let you know. It's on my radar, these things don't come to North America very often.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 16, 2018, 04:41:52 PM
http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Kevin_Moats_positive_again_8yr_ban_announces_retirement_6712.html (http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Kevin_Moats_positive_again_8yr_ban_announces_retirement_6712.html)
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fred on January 17, 2018, 09:40:02 AM
I'll let you know. It's on my radar, these things don't come to North America very often.

I ran North American masters 400 meters in Toronto at 40. I will come and cheer.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 17, 2018, 10:23:12 AM
I ran North American masters 400 meters in Toronto at 40. I will come and cheer.
I'll let you know. It's on my radar, these things don't come to North America very often.

Take this shit offline

Focus, dipshits
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 18, 2018, 04:17:17 PM
https://deadspin.com/dozens-of-russian-athletes-dodge-doping-tests-by-callin-1822193683
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 19, 2018, 03:51:44 PM
56 year old triathlete busted for therapeutic T: https://www.usada.org/bill-beyer-accepts-doping-sanction/ (https://www.usada.org/bill-beyer-accepts-doping-sanction/)
But it's largely procedural--he didn't report his use and get a therapeutic use exception (TUE).

Meanwhile 44 year old cyclist Jeffery Miller was suspended for using a testosterone-HGH cocktail. https://www.usada.org/jeffery-miller-accepts-sanction/ (https://www.usada.org/jeffery-miller-accepts-sanction/)
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: SnarlyMarly on January 19, 2018, 04:10:30 PM
56 year old triathlete busted for therapeutic T: https://www.usada.org/bill-beyer-accepts-doping-sanction/ (https://www.usada.org/bill-beyer-accepts-doping-sanction/)
But it's largely procedural--he didn't report his use and get a therapeutic use exception (TUE).

Meanwhile 44 year old cyclist Jeffery Miller was suspended for using a testosterone-HGH cocktail. https://www.usada.org/jeffery-miller-accepts-sanction/ (https://www.usada.org/jeffery-miller-accepts-sanction/)





Like my "friend" you wonder how someone wakes up someday and says "I am going to start taking a bunch of banned substances"

https://enduranceworks.com/images/stories/downloadable_pdf/tdc_i11_beyer_project.pdf (https://enduranceworks.com/images/stories/downloadable_pdf/tdc_i11_beyer_project.pdf)

Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on January 21, 2018, 04:38:44 PM


Like my "friend" you wonder how someone wakes up someday and says "I am going to start taking a bunch of banned substances"

https://enduranceworks.com/images/stories/downloadable_pdf/tdc_i11_beyer_project.pdf (https://enduranceworks.com/images/stories/downloadable_pdf/tdc_i11_beyer_project.pdf)

You could ask if she has a TUE and if not, maybe she should get one. And if she doesn't (over a period of time) you could drop a dime on her. 
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 25, 2018, 02:17:36 PM
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/sports/gil-roberts-doping-kissing.html

Quote
When [sprinter Gil] Roberts failed a drug test, he mounted one of the more novel defenses in the history of sports doping. He said that he had kissed [girlfriend Alex] Salazar passionately, and that her sinus medication had entered his body.

On Thursday, an appeals court sided with the passionate kissing defense. Roberts was exonerated.

“There could have been tongue kissing, but it was more that she kissed me so soon after taking the medicine,” Roberts said Thursday, expressing relief that he had evaded a ban of up to four years for trace amounts of probenecid, a masking agent prohibited by sports regulators for its ability to disguise other drugs.
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 26, 2018, 03:07:02 PM
http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/amateur-rider-jennifer-schumm-banned-four-years-testosterone_455616 (http://www.velonews.com/2018/01/news/amateur-rider-jennifer-schumm-banned-four-years-testosterone_455616)

https://www.usada.org/aaa-panel-imposes-doping-sanction-jennifer-schumm/ (https://www.usada.org/aaa-panel-imposes-doping-sanction-jennifer-schumm/)

Double double letter

Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: SnarlyMarly on January 27, 2018, 09:19:02 AM
She wants to protect her reputation😅😅😅😅

Little late for that
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: Fast Eddie on January 31, 2018, 10:33:08 AM
Video of race bandits getting their medals taken back at Miami Marathon 5K. 

http://www.facebook.com/ruizfrankie/videos/10156145611834866/ (http://www.facebook.com/ruizfrankie/videos/10156145611834866/)
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: RandMart on January 31, 2018, 10:54:24 AM
Video of race bandits getting their medals taken back at Miami Marathon 5K.

No Bib = No Bling
Title: Re: Speaking of cheating
Post by: diablita on February 02, 2018, 07:55:09 PM
Video of race bandits getting their medals taken back at Miami Marathon 5K. 

http://www.facebook.com/ruizfrankie/videos/10156145611834866/ (http://www.facebook.com/ruizfrankie/videos/10156145611834866/)

That's a running buddy of my sisters.  They said there were dozens and dozens of bandits in the race.  Seems to me someone didn't do their job at the start to keep them from making it to the finish.