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Title: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: mariobrega on September 20, 2014, 09:44:58 AM
hi all !

one post i deleted, well,,, i open here again one.
i suggest you to take a look at these websites

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/) 
and also http://rethink911.org/ (http://rethink911.org/)

if you like take a look at this video.

The Official ReThink911 Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNR6Kbg5jJ8#)   

Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GeekMaster on September 20, 2014, 10:24:17 AM
There are no significant mysteries about what happened at Ground Zero.  As for 7 World Trade, it was next to the North Tower only separated by a narrow street making it no surprise that it would have been hit by the falling debris and collapse.

Here are maps and video that show why the conspiracy theories should not be taken seriously.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html)
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: Magic Microbe on September 21, 2014, 12:58:26 PM
My question is as a non-american why do you care enough to subscribe to conspiracy theories? And I already posted the links that refute this insane theory in your deleted thread.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: Natasha on September 26, 2014, 04:12:05 PM
mariobrega, out of curiosity, did you watch the news on 9/11? As it happened, I mean?
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: tenacious1 on September 29, 2014, 10:10:29 AM
My question is as a non-american why do you care enough to subscribe to conspiracy theories? And I already posted the links that refute this insane theory in your deleted thread.

If you have the time please post the links again. DH has mentioned buying into the controlled explosion stuff and I'd love to give him a well researched piece that debunks it.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: siamesedream on September 30, 2014, 02:20:23 AM
 I think Mario flew the coop.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: tenacious1 on September 30, 2014, 09:13:06 AM
MM had the good info. She may eventually come back to this thread.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GeekMaster on September 30, 2014, 09:42:05 AM
MM had the good info. She may eventually come back to this thread.
See  my link above.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: tenacious1 on September 30, 2014, 09:58:31 AM
I actually read all that already but MM's post was after yours so I think she has additional info. she's read. If I'm going to discuss this with DH I want to be sure my info. is solid. He's a very smart engineer and I'm not well versed in structural issues, the effect of heat on materials, explosions or anything like that. I need to do my homework.

There's also the possibility he'll convince me once I'm better able to understand the science of it. I doubt it, but the truth is there's a lot I don't know.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: mariobrega on September 30, 2014, 11:58:24 PM
I think Mario flew the coop.

Hi ! what is the coop ?  :eyeroll:  I'm here, following this interesting debate.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GreenMan on October 01, 2014, 12:03:36 AM
It's somewhere between bad faith and outright lying to say something ridiculous, get shown how idiotic it is, and call it a "debate." We already have enough people on this board who get their kicks from that shit.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: siamesedream on October 01, 2014, 12:56:37 AM
Hi ! what is the coop ?  :eyeroll:  I'm here, following this interesting debate.

What is the debate?

Do you really think that building was brought down by anything other than debris from the twin towers?

Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: mariobrega on October 01, 2014, 02:02:02 AM
...it is not me , if you see carefully that video american engineers are explain what happened to wtc7.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: siamesedream on October 01, 2014, 02:35:54 AM
Mario....I don't mean to be rude, but 9/11 conspiracy theories are bullshit.


You can contribute anything you want to yammering, but this is silly and a waste of time.

 
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: tenacious1 on October 01, 2014, 08:32:48 AM
Hi ! what is the coop ?  :eyeroll:  I'm here, following this interesting debate.

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/fly+the+coop (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/fly+the+coop)
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GeekMaster on October 01, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
...it is not me , if you see carefully that video american engineers are explain what happened to wtc7.
Have you looked at any of the evidence that refutes the conspiracy theories?
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: Magic Microbe on October 01, 2014, 10:46:28 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html)


http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874)


I think you are confused about what a debate consists of. A debate would require you to formulate and present an argument and then respond later to defend your position. Neither of which you have done.

Not just post something ridiculous and gleefully sit back to watch the action.

Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GreenMan on October 01, 2014, 11:04:11 AM
Argument Clinic - Monty Python's The Flying Circus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y#)
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: mariobrega on October 01, 2014, 04:00:27 PM
this video show inside the wtc7. it seems to be no fire at all.

Inside 7 World Trade Center Moments Before Collapse (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqGRv7CQlc#) 
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GreenMan on October 01, 2014, 04:58:30 PM
Do you really think we don't know you're full of shit?
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: antagonist on October 02, 2014, 01:20:52 AM
Personally,  I would love to know what exactly is above Top Secret.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: siamesedream on October 02, 2014, 01:57:22 AM
Personally,  I would love to know what exactly is above Top Secret.

Illuminati secret, by the makers of pop secret popcorn.


The salty snack that makes you wax messianic!

Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: Magic Microbe on October 02, 2014, 02:14:31 AM
this video show inside the wtc7. it seems to be no fire at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqGRv7CQlc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqGRv7CQlc#)]Inside 7 World Trade Center Moments Before Collaps

You would think someone would have edited out the sound of the building's fire alarms going off.
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: tenacious1 on October 02, 2014, 10:27:36 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056088/Footage-kills-conspiracy-theories-Rare-footage-shows-WTC-7-consumed-fire.html)


http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/_mobile/technology/engineering/architecture/4278874)


I think you are confused about what a debate consists of. A debate would require you to formulate and present an argument and then respond later to defend your position. Neither of which you have done.

Not just post something ridiculous and gleefully sit back to watch the action.

Thank you! I've started reading the Popular Mechanics link and it's pretty impressive. It looks like they did an entire edition refuting conspiracy theories and your page links to all of them. It will take a while to read it all.  :)
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: mariobrega on October 06, 2014, 09:35:47 AM
BBC Documentary

WTC 7 - BBC The Third Tower - Conspiracy Files (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbMfTtHkYM#)   
Title: Re: 9/11 and other interesting websites
Post by: GeekMaster on October 06, 2014, 10:32:47 AM
Mario, that BBC documentary is a crock of shit built of half truths, people's paranoia and innuendo.

Some of my reactions follow.  Then I think it is time for you to stop this bullshit.

1) Why is it surprising that a building next to the towers would be evacuated regardless of its usage?

2) Tower 7 takes a direct hit from the north tower collapse.  Fires were immediately reported in the building.

3) No building has ever collapsed from ordinary fires?  When has there ever been any other building 350 feet from a collapsing 110 story tower?

4) Larry Silverstein:"Pull it".  It is only speculation that it meant to detonate the tower totally contradicted by the Fire Chief.

5) "At three o'clock with the condition of the tower 7 deteriorating rapidly".   Fire Chief nigro:"Stop the rescue efforts" "step back and wait".  Sounds like the tower was in worse condition than the conspiracy theorists want to admit.

6) "it's alleged that it was not just the government, the police and the fire department that conspired to destroy tower 7, people have also pointed the finger at the media".  OH COME ON.  So many disparate agencies and people involved in the conspiracy?  That, alone, is enough to discredit the entire notion.

Oh, also, phrases like, "It's alleged" and "people have also pointed the finger" are typical ploys by conspiracy pot stirrers to concoct their theories without having to cite actual facts.  Just watch Fox News for a day and count how many times they use that sort of tactic to spread fear and loathing among the otherwise uninformed.