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Not Running => Food => Topic started by: CheryG on March 10, 2013, 09:49:42 AM
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Has anyone read this? It was recommended to me.
http://www.amazon.com/Starts-Food-Discover-Whole30-Unexpected/dp/1936608898 (http://www.amazon.com/Starts-Food-Discover-Whole30-Unexpected/dp/1936608898)
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Has anyone read this? It was recommended to me.
http://www.amazon.com/Starts-Food-Discover-Whole30-Unexpected/dp/1936608898 (http://www.amazon.com/Starts-Food-Discover-Whole30-Unexpected/dp/1936608898)
No, but I just looked at the reviews and people seem to like it.
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I looked at the review and decided..... that writer dude's hot.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ab/23/11d9c7dc2aa70a7f02358d.L._V138252847_SX200_.jpg)
Now I will stop drooling and go read the review. ;)
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read it and report back :D
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my library has it, put a hold on it, there are 8 holds on 3 copies, which are all out and due this month.
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I looked at the review and decided..... that writer dude's hot.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/ab/23/11d9c7dc2aa70a7f02358d.L._V138252847_SX200_.jpg)
Now I will stop drooling and go read the review. ;)
Holy crap. Yes, he is.
I ordered it from Amazon, so I'll post my review when I'm done!
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my library has it, put a hold on it, there are 8 holds on 3 copies, which are all out and due this month.
You'll have to post your review as well!
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I've read portions of it and have spent a good bit of time on the whole9 website that the author and his wife run; lots of people in my paleo/primal groups do whole 30 challenges but I haven't taken the plunge yet.
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:purr: :luvcoffee: :doglick:<--- what Jessica thinks of it
:cat: white cat added for cranky, tired child
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You'll have to post your review as well!
i'm thinking it may be a while until i get a copy though :(
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a friend just forwarded that site link to me. the no grains thing scares me.
I need my rice.
we eat it at least 3 times a week.
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I did no grains for a few weeks recently, no change in weight :eyeroll:
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a friend just forwarded that site link to me. the no grains thing scares me.
I need my rice.
we eat it at least 3 times a week.
You might like the Perfect Health Diet book -- it seems like modified Paleo. Rice is okay on it.
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I did no grains for a few weeks recently, no change in weight :eyeroll:
That is bizarre. But really, it shocks me that a person could exercise as much as you AND be vegan and have any weight to lose. That's not to say I doubt you -- it just boggles the mind.
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That is bizarre. But really, it shocks me that a person could exercise as much as you AND be vegan and have any weight to lose. That's not to say I doubt you -- it just boggles the mind.
i am 18 lbs above my prepregnancy weight :(
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:purr: :luvcoffee: :doglick:<--- what Jessica thinks of it
:cat: white cat added for cranky, tired child
:heartbeat: I love your kid. I don't even know her. But, I love her.
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:preen: thanks RA. She woke up cranky again this morning (she has a cold) but was immediately happy to find our dog in the prone position with his belly out for scratching...until he farted.
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:heartbeat: I love your kid. I don't even know her. But, I love her.
Exactly! I don't know her either, but the pictures!
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Well, I've read the first few chapters and I think it's going to be OK but not great. It's a little too cutesy for my taste, it tries to dumb things down too much. Otherwise its pretty decent, I'm in the section that has an overview of hormones, how appetite and weight regulation work, etc. It promotes a low carb, moderate protein, moderate fat diet- pretty much Paleo but so far without the we never adapted to grains" stuff. Which I appreciate. The primary focus is moderating blood sugar/cortisol and turning on the appetite regulation and fat burning systems. Nothing too freaky so far.
It recommends a basic "Whole30" diet for 30 days. Whole foods, pretty strict Paleo. After the 30 days there's a recommended reintroduction schedule so the individual can determine whether they can tolerate grains, legumes, etc.
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So, you going to give it a try?
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No legumes? :e) I would starve! Must be a meat eater book.
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So, you going to give it a try?
I pretty much have been for a little while and love it so far. I still eat a small amount of oats for breakfast and my Dukan inspired pancake on Sundays, but otherwise it's been Paleo. I don't think I've been eating enough calories as i started to feel tired, so i upped my fat last night and felt better immediately.
So far:
I've lost 15# in six weeks.
I do not crave anything.
I no longer eat then need to fall asleep.
For the first time in 10 years I've been able to stop my allergy meds.
My joints/muscles don't ache and my chronic headache is gone.
My endometriosis this month was better than its been since i was 12.
I'll try getting rid of the oats soon, but it seems to be working well so far.
Meri- it does prefer animal protein as a protein source. I haven't reached the why section yet.
I'm not sure if I believe all the science and the book is upfront to say it doesn't either. Basicically they're presenting it as a "here's the science, be aware that some science is always changing, but this is what we've put together that seems to work well for us and our clients" sort of thing.
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keep me posted! i get most of my protein from beans.
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I pretty much have been for a little while and love it so far. I still eat a small amount of oats for breakfast and my Dukan inspired pancake on Sundays, but otherwise it's been Paleo. I don't think I've been eating enough calories as i started to feel tired, so i upped my fat last night and felt better immediately.
So far:
I've lost 15# in six weeks.
I do not crave anything.
I no longer eat then need to fall asleep.
For the first time in 10 years I've been able to stop my allergy meds.
My joints/muscles don't ache and my chronic headache is gone.
My endometriosis this month was better than its been since i was 12.
I'll try getting rid of the oats soon, but it seems to be working well so far.
Meri- it does prefer animal protein as a protein source. I haven't reached the why section yet.
I'm not sure if I believe all the science and the book is upfront to say it doesn't either. Basicically they're presenting it as a "here's the science, be aware that some science is always changing, but this is what we've put together that seems to work well for us and our clients" sort of thing.
That's awesome!
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I pretty much have been for a little while and love it so far. I still eat a small amount of oats for breakfast and my Dukan inspired pancake on Sundays, but otherwise it's been Paleo.
I've been eating this way for a while too. Including the Dukan galette, but I eat one every day as breakfast. And it's oat bran, not oats so I give myself a pass there. However, I also cheat for real a fair amount. I'm sure it would work even better if I was more scrupulous. But it's working pretty well, so I don't have any urgent incentive to get all crazy about it. I don't tend to do well with overly restrictive diets over the long haul. Paleoesque, now that I can do forever.
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I've been eating this way for a while too. Including the Dukan galette, but I eat one every day as breakfast. And it's oat bran, not oats so I give myself a pass there. However, I also cheat for real a fair amount. I'm sure it would work even better if I was more scrupulous. But it's working pretty well, so I don't have any urgent incentive to get all crazy about it. I don't tend to do well with overly restrictive diets over the long haul. Paleoesque, now that I can do forever.
I'm finding the restriction of Paleo wonderful for the time being. It makes my life so much easier to walk into a grocery store and be able to steer myself away from, well, most of the store. It's so simple. I'm not being delusional in that I expect to eat this way forever, but it's not difficult at all. Different, but not difficult.
Except for breakfast. Breaking the grains for breakfast for the past 40+ years is more difficult! Partly because I often like to have eggs for lunch. I need to move the eggs to the AM and have something else for lunch! Paleo porridge was yummy as all heck- dried unsweetened coconut with coconut or almond milk, a handful of nuts and some frozen raspberries. So good it made me feel guilty to eat it.
Try my pancake, you might like it...
http://terragarcia.blogspot.com/2013/03/pancake-14c-coconut-flour-14c-oat-bran.html (http://terragarcia.blogspot.com/2013/03/pancake-14c-coconut-flour-14c-oat-bran.html)
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Try my pancake, you might like it...
http://terragarcia.blogspot.com/2013/03/pancake-14c-coconut-flour-14c-oat-bran.html (http://terragarcia.blogspot.com/2013/03/pancake-14c-coconut-flour-14c-oat-bran.html)
I will, thanks! Mine are tasty enough, but boring. 1/4 cup oat bran, 1 egg, blob of soft cheese, cinnamon or garam masala, packet of sweetener. I make a savory version too by leaving out the sweetener and adding a pinch of salt and a touch of cayenne and/or ground black pepper.
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Hmmm. Savory. I wonder how the coconut flour would take to savory. Dill or oregano maybe.
My favorite seasoning combo for eggs right now is oregano/basil/dried onion, pretty much in equal parts. I keep meaning to grind a bunch up to put in a shaker. I call it my egg powder.
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That is bizarre. But really, it shocks me that a person could exercise as much as you AND be vegan and have any weight to lose. That's not to say I doubt you -- it just boggles the mind.
I don't think being vegan has anything to do with it. I think calories in/calories out is what counts.
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This is interesting.
A calorie is not a calorie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goe3FmTSC1g#ws)
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I don't think being vegan has anything to do with it. I think calories in/calories out is what counts.
well, yeah, but i have been logging my calories for a couple months. Being really diligent and still not seeing any change, so it is not always as simple as calories in/calories out. :eyeroll:
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My post says: "I think (!) a calorie is a calorie." I am very aware some people do not think so. I know, however, that when I consume fewer calories for a few weeks and keep my regular weekly mileage, I lose weight. But that is just me.
As to vegan food, in the context of which I made my statement: a vegan diet is not necessarily a healthy one or one that leads to weight-loss: you still have to make choices that are sound. (I am not saying that Merigayle is not eating well, though. My comment was not directed at her.)
Thing is: my mother lived through World War II in Europe. At the end of the war, she did not see obese people anymore in her neighborhood. And no, they did not fall victim to the war. Their food supply had been limited, though.
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well, yeah, but i have been logging my calories for a couple months. Being really diligent and still not seeing any change, so it is not always as simple as calories in/calories out. :eyeroll:
Years ago I was able to lose a wonderful amount of weight by counting calories.
This time around I followed the same protocol I used that time and it didn't work nearly so well. I even adjusted for a lower BMR and while I did lose some weight it wasn't much. Plus I was killing myself with exercise- three to five hour hikes once a week plus half hour daily workouts during the week.
That's why I decided to change it up some. This has worked wonderfully. I'm down 16# now, with the health benefits I didn't expect. I'm not hungry and I've barely exercised. (I ride one or two horses a day and go for a two mile run or walk once or twice a week.)
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well, yeah, but i have been logging my calories for a couple months. Being really diligent and still not seeing any change, so it is not always as simple as calories in/calories out. :eyeroll:
I want to say that Meri is not overweight.. I have seen her in person.. I think what she is getting at is she wants to be a lower weight for the type of races and running that she does.. maybe I'm projecting.... but I see her in person and she looks great!
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I want to say that Meri is not overweight.. I have seen her in person.. I think what she is getting at is she wants to be a lower weight for the type of races and running that she does.. maybe I'm projecting.... but I see her in person and she looks great!
And she keeps saying that, too, she says she wants her pre-pregnancy weight. I think not gaining weight at age 52 is more difficult than it was at 35-40. Part of it is adjusting to the fact that we burn less calories as we grow older, but our mind set does not recognize that yet, and we are used to a certain quantity of food that we eat and could eat in the past.
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I'm not older, I'm more efficient. :yikes:
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I don't think being vegan has anything to do with it. I think calories in/calories out is what counts.
Just being on a temporary dairy-free diet, I'm having trouble getting enough calories. I imagine it's even more difficult on a vegan diet!
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Just being on a temporary dairy-free diet, I'm having trouble getting enough calories. I imagine it's even more difficult on a vegan diet!
I was on one for quite a few years. I simply substituted other products/foods for the calorie intake. I got back to low fat dairy, because I believe it's the best and most reliable source for calcium. I know some people will contest that. I simply do not want to take products that are calcium fortified. The new studies about calcium at/after menopause do not support taking supplements, and calcium fortified goods contain supplements. I do not see how I could get the calcium that I need in your post menopause years without dairy. And soy is not something I want to have a lot of.
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I was on one for quite a few years. I simply substituted other products/foods for the calorie intake. I got back to low fat dairy, because I believe it's the best and most reliable source for calcium. I know some people will contest that. I simply do not want to take products that are calcium fortified. The new studies about calcium at/after menopause do not support taking supplements, and calcium fortified goods contain supplements. I do not see how I could get the calcium that I need in your post menopause years without dairy. And soy is not something I want to have a lot of.
I love dairy and I don't think it's harmful - I'm trying it out to see if it helps my nursing baby :) But I don't really like the milk or cheese substitutes, am somewhat intolerant to soy, and don't want to go overboard on nuts while nursing, so I end up on a pretty healthy diet.
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This is interesting.
A calorie is not a calorie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goe3FmTSC1g#ws)
The British accent convinced me.
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This is interesting.
A calorie is not a calorie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goe3FmTSC1g#ws)
Very interesting. Is it true that calories from carbs can't fuel your BMR? Only from Fat and Protein? Why would this be??
Nadra24?
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From what I know she's stretching the truth there. A lot. Fro everything I've read the body "needs" about 120g of glucose a day, to mostly run the brain. BUT, your body protects the brain in the event of famine- 1- it can utilize both dietary and muscle protein for gluconeogenesis, and 2, in ketosis the brain can adapt to running on ketones for a large portion of its food.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201104/your-brain-ketones (http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolutionary-psychiatry/201104/your-brain-ketones)
The whole brain ketine thing is interesting. Type 3 diabetes is something worth googling.
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Or maybe she considers that "energy" and separates it from other basal requirements. I do like her basic premise.
Leads me to wonder about complete protein and vegetarian diets- maybe Meri can answer this? If I eat a hunk of meat I get all the essential amino acids- meat is a complete protein. Veggie sources are not complete protein. Soy comes close? Anyway, I wonder how many calories consumed meat vs. Veggie to equal a complete protein.
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Very interesting. Is it true that calories from carbs can't fuel your BMR? Only from Fat and Protein? Why would this be??
Nadra24?
I have never heard that. Now, it's been a long time since I took biochemistry, but I can't think why that would be the case.
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Whole grain + beans = complete protein.
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I have never heard that. Now, it's been a long time since I took biochemistry, but I can't think why that would be the case.
I suspe t she is talking out of her ass.
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Whole grain + beans = complete protein.
Right, but to get 20 grams of protein from black beans and brown rice you have to eat just under 450 calories. (That's a cup of beans at 15 grams of protein and 227 cals, and a cup of brown rice at 5 grams of protein and 216 cals). To get 20 grams of protein from steak, you only have to eat 3 oz and there are just over 200 calories. I don't know what proportion of beans to rice you'd have to eat to get the complete protein, so those numbers might be a little off, but that's the general idea.
Tofu is a complete protein, and a cup of it has 20 grams of protein and about 180 calories so that's pretty similar to meat.
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I suspe t she is talking out of her ass.
Not totally. She's just not clear and should be more so. It's interesting to me because the premise behind how she constructs a diet is pretty much how I feed my horses, and how I think it's healthiest to feed them. I approach it as meeting the amino acid/vit/min/roughage portion of the diet first, then adding additional energy if needed. I do feel I've found that they'll overconsume calories if their amino acid needs are not met.
As far as the calories of different foodstuffs, it's old news that the body works harder to digest calories from some sources than others.
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Right, but to get 20 grams of protein from black beans and brown rice you have to eat just under 450 calories. (That's a cup of beans at 15 grams of protein and 227 cals, and a cup of brown rice at 5 grams of protein and 216 cals). To get 20 grams of protein from steak, you only have to eat 3 oz and there are just over 200 calories. I don't know what proportion of beans to rice you'd have to eat to get the complete protein, so those numbers might be a little off, but that's the general idea.
Tofu is a complete protein, and a cup of it has 20 grams of protein and about 180 calories so that's pretty similar to meat.
Thank you nadra.
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Chery how strict are you being and are you tracking/counting calories and carbs? I had been doing great and was seeing phenomenal results without being hungry, moods were super stable, with no endo/pcos pain at all! And I've blown it to hell the last few days with stress eating :D but I'll go back in a day or so. Once I got used to some of the parameters, it was super easy WITH planning; and on the plus side I've tried tons of new recipes and meals. We could probably swap a few around if anyone wants :)
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AS, I haven't been tracking calories diligently, but I still do restrict my carbs to around 100g/day.
That's great that you were feeling so much better! My endo is still greatly improved. This last time around I panicked twice and took some ibuprofen before some grumpiness turned into pain (worthless as you know to chase the pain instead), but I only ended up taking 400mg twice, rather than 800mg frequently. Big improvement! I might not have needed it at all.
I don't really have any good recipes to share, I'm eating in a very basic, boring manner! Last night's dinner was shrimp sauteed with a little bit of salt and unsweetened dried coconut with a salad on the side. Basic, quick, and BORING!
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Not totally. She's just not clear and should be more so.
How so? Either you can or you can't use energy from carbs to fuel BMR. I am really interested in whether this is true or not. Googled it but couldn't come up with much.
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How so? Either you can or you can't use energy from carbs to fuel BMR. I am really interested in whether this is true or not. Googled it but couldn't come up with much.
Personally I say you can. I sent her this email and question.
"How can you say that carbohydrates cannot be used for BMR when even the brain utilizes 120g glucose/day to operate."
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Personally I say you can. I sent her this email and question.
"How can you say that carbohydrates cannot be used for BMR when even the brain utilizes 120g glucose/day to operate."
Good on you! Would love to hear the response if you get one. Would be very interested to read the citation as well if she gives you one.
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I'll be happy to pass it on! I doubt she'll answer but if she does I think it will be along the lines of her not including that brain glucose in her definition of BMR because it's "energy".
Here's more of a quote from her:
"BMR activities need fat, protein, vitamins and minerals – carbs are only useful for the vitamins and mineralsthey provide – the carbohydrate itself can only beused for energy – not cell repair and fighting infection. Hence – if you eat 1,500 calories of carbohydrate (as the average citizen of thedeveloped world currently does) – it can’t be used for body maintenance – you need to burn it off down the gym or you will gain weight."
I would have been happier if she had said something along the lines of "needs very little carbohydrates".
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I dunno. I think it depends on the carbs. So many cultures eat diets heavy in grains and legumes, that is all carbs, it is not a carb like white bread is, but it is still high in carbs vs high protein diets.
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I'll be happy to pass it on! I doubt she'll answer but if she does I think it will be along the lines of her not including that brain glucose in her definition of BMR because it's "energy".
Here's more of a quote from her:
"BMR activities need fat, protein, vitamins and minerals – carbs are only useful for the vitamins and mineralsthey provide – the carbohydrate itself can only beused for energy – not cell repair and fighting infection. Hence – if you eat 1,500 calories of carbohydrate (as the average citizen of thedeveloped world currently does) – it can’t be used for body maintenance – you need to burn it off down the gym or you will gain weight."
I would have been happier if she had said something along the lines of "needs very little carbohydrates".
I think her definition of Basal Metabolic Rate is wrong. BMR is the energy expended by an organism (person) at rest. It's how many calories you need to pump blood, breathe in and out, digest food, regulate your body temperature, and maintain your body. Some of that energy is used for cell repair and fighting infection, but BMR measures the calories you need to do that, not the materials (protein, etc) you need.
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I think it depends a little on the source of the carb, there's that whole insulin response thing and how hard the body needs to work to break it down. And then there's that fructose/glucose difference. And then there's the bomb calorimeter problem- it includes indigestible fiber of carbohydrates, where I think a chemical assay does not. That's why Atkins followers use "net carbs" which is carb minus fiber.
And then there's the problem of being a carb burner instead of a fat burner. RER testing shows, apparently, that some people do not burn fat.
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I think her definition of Basal Metabolic Rate is wrong. BMR is the energy expended by an organism (person) at rest. It's how many calories you need to pump blood, breathe in and out, digest food, regulate your body temperature, and maintain your body. Some of that energy is used for cell repair and fighting infection, but BMR measures the calories you need to do that, not the materials (protein, etc) you need.
I think that's a misleading definition. I've always gone with this one, or something like it: "Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) is the number of calories your body burns at rest to maintain normal body functions. It is the amount of calories per day your body burns, regardless of exercise. It changes with age, weight, height, gender, diet and exercise habits. "
So, with that, you're going to have to include the calories you get from a protein source. So it goes back to what percentage of those 1500BMR calories need to be from carbs? There are different opinions.
"At any one time, the total amount of glucose dissolved in the bloodstream of a healthy non-diabetic is equivalent to only a teaspoon (maybe 5 grams). Much more than that is toxic; much less than that and you pass out. That's not much range for a so-called 'preferred' fuel, is it?
Several studies have shown that under normal low MET conditions (at rest or low-to mid- levels of activity such as walking and easy work) the body only needs about 5 grams of glucose an hour. And that's for people who aren't yet fat-adapted or keto-adapted. The brain is the major consumer of glucose, needing maybe 120 grams a day in people who aren't yet on a low carb eating program.
Low carb eating reduces the brain's glucose requirements considerably, and those who are very low carb (VLC) and keto-adapted may only require about 30 grams of glucose per day to fuel the brain... Twenty of those grams can come from glycerol (a byproduct of fat metabolism) and the balance from gluconeogenesis in the liver (which can actually make up to a whopping 150 grams a day if you haven't metabolically damaged it with NAFLD through fructose overdosing).
Bottom line, unless you are a physical laborer or are training (exercising) hard on a daily basis, once you become fat-adapted, you probably don't ever need to consume more than 150 grams of dietary carbs – and you can probably thrive on far less. Many Pbers [Mark's diet, Primal Blueprint] do very well (including working out) on 30-70 grams a day."
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/#axzz2OHt13oaQ (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/a-metabolic-paradigm-shift-fat-carbs-human-body-metabolism/#axzz2OHt13oaQ)
IMO, BMR as only "energy" is a sloppy definition. Her BMR definition is sloppy as well.