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Title: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 10, 2020, 07:19:52 PM
So what do you think for the women running in Atlanta?  (I think there was a thread for this but couldn't find it?)

Who are your faves?  With Des going after it again, I like her odds.  She has grit and it's a gritty course.  Amy Cragg just had a notsogreatforher half the other day, hard to say if she held back or was held back by something bugging her.  And speaking of something bugging her, haven't heard all that much from Jordan Hasay so it will be interesting to see if Paula has been able to boost her up.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 10, 2020, 10:28:15 PM
NONONOHASAY!  Even if it means gifting it to a double letter-er. 

Cross your fingers for 40 degrees and a monsoon or a million and drowning in humidity, then Desi will roll.  She might roll anyway against these pansies. 

Sara Hall has been poised to throw down for a long time as well.  She's the other one who will be intriguing to watch.  We'll see how the prolific buildup pays off...
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 11, 2020, 06:47:08 AM
Well I'll be standing out there so I don't want either scenario.  I think the course is plenty tough to give Desi an edge.

Interesting human interest story about the Halls:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/olympics/2019/04/12/boston-marathon-family-how-ryan-halls-adopted-four-and-kept-running/3386444002/
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 11, 2020, 08:06:04 AM
http://chrunners.net/forum/index.php?topic=123778.msg3212835#msg3212835

There's the Thread.

Sisson, Hasay, Huddle, and Hall. Even though she's the least experienced of the four, the strongest favorite imo is Sisson. Maybe Hall is next with Huddle and Hasay having some question marks to go with their great credentials. However, Kellyn Taylor, Steph Bruce and a host of others might say otherwise. It's going to be a great race.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 11, 2020, 09:32:28 AM
About Desi, I'm not sure she's fully in. She's almost doing this as an afterthought. But if she's having a good day, she'll be right in there.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 11, 2020, 10:20:07 AM
Yeah, I really think she'll need the perfect day.  Her PR is 3-5 minutes behind the others, most of whom appear to be at the top of their game.  I just don't know that much about Sisson, but she looks legit.  You think Huddle will make it?  She may well have the best raw talent of the bunch, but seems like she hasn't been able to put it all together with the marathon yet.  It would be a heck of a time to get it right though!
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 11, 2020, 03:06:44 PM
It's just going to be an amazing day for American distance running
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 14, 2020, 07:52:50 AM
Here is my women's favorites list, more or less in order; anyone in the top 7 (down to Bates) has a good shot at making the team. The others would need to have a huge breakout effort. Times maybe 2:24 FTW and 2:27 or faster to make the team, and it might be top 3 or 4 within 30 seconds.

Emily Sisson (less experienced but young and made for the marathon)
Sarah Hall (prolific racer but as tough as nails and a gamer)
Molly Huddle (breakthrough?)
Kellyn Taylor (look for her to run aggressively in the middle miles but maybe fade toward the end)
Jordany Hasay - Des Linden (I think one of these two will drop or maybe even not line up but either could be in the top 3 as well)
Emma Bates
Stephanie Bruce
Lindsay Flanagan
Laura Thweatt
Amy Cragg
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 14, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
I've got a good feeling about Hall this time.  Should be quite a spirited duel with Sisson.  Huddle will be an interesting X factor, especially with being Sisson's training partner.  No idea where she's currently at, but on paper she should be right up in that mix.  She's beaten Sisson over 10k as recently as last summer.  Now that she's had a few marathons under her belt to figure things out, maybe experience will pay off. 
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 20, 2020, 02:18:00 PM
Amy Cragg just announced that she's out due to illness.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 20, 2020, 02:53:56 PM
I was just going to say...

She'd have been a long shot, but wonder what's going on. Some speculation of some sort of chronic fatigue.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 20, 2020, 04:21:03 PM
from rojo of letsrun: We have more details. A source close to Cragg said her withdrawal is the result of adrenal fatigue as a result of the Epstein-Barr virus.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 20, 2020, 04:27:54 PM
 :'(. So much has to go right to line up on any given race day.  I hate this for her.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 20, 2020, 04:50:11 PM
Yeah that's rough. Marathoners are living at the edge for months at a time and sometimes the edge wins. She just needs to get her health back.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 21, 2020, 08:23:20 AM
Totally.  Here's more detail:

https://twitter.com/chrischavez/status/1230611296334360576?s=21&fbclid=IwAR1ZmdZezPLYCHKybHdRRzfU6MwzY6d67XhTeL0zQaXS9aeSPrcYasFj2SM
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 21, 2020, 10:55:58 AM
Updated.

Emily Sisson (less experienced but young and made for the marathon)
Sarah Hall (prolific racer but as tough as nails and a gamer)
Molly Huddle (breakthrough?)
Kellyn Taylor (look for her to run aggressively in the middle miles but maybe fade toward the end)
Jordany Hasay - Des Linden (I think one of these two will drop or maybe even not line up but either could be in the top 3 as well)
Emma Bates
Aliphine Tiliamuk
Stephanie Bruce
Lindsay Flanagan
Laura Thweatt
Amy Cragg
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 25, 2020, 11:30:49 AM
I was already a Kellyn Taylor fan and this makes me even fonder:

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a31081434/kellyn-taylor-foster-parent/?fbclid=IwAR01NqiJixbdiidKZndzzXmPvElEjPjBkSDXX1IB8oh7MUaT1U4FnhRh6TA

I hope she has a great day on Saturday.  She's a tough cookie.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 25, 2020, 11:49:11 AM
I don't know a lot about Taylor other than see her rip it up at some big races over the past couple years. I think she's up for one of the podcasts this week (Rogue?). Tough competitor! And seems genuine.

With Cragg off the list I'll add Sally Kipyego, and she could be anywhere in that top 10. Has an Olympic medal and a bunch of NCAA titles. But has had a baby in the past couple of years and she'd now in her mid-30s and hasn't done anything really notable in a while. But she could definitely make that team.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 25, 2020, 12:43:08 PM
For sure Kipego is a contender.  I see her in top ten definitely.  Top 3, just don't know.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 25, 2020, 01:21:26 PM
Apparently Desi is also running Boston.  So is she sandbagging the trials and using it as a tuneup, crushing the trials and taking a victory lap in Boston, or crushing the trials, boston, and the coronalympics because "COME AT ME BITCHES!!"?  ???
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 25, 2020, 02:49:52 PM
Revised--just shuffling the favorites around a little bit. I still think Hasay and Linden are somewhat question in the question mark category.

Emily Sisson (less experienced but young and seems made for the marathon)
Sarah Hall (prolific racer but as tough as nails and a gamer)
Kellyn Taylor (look for her to run aggressively in the middle miles but maybe fade toward the end)
Molly Huddle (breakthrough?)
Jordany Hasay - Des Linden (I think one of these two will drop or maybe even not line up but either could be in the top 3 as well)
Aliphine Tiliamuk
Emma Bates
Sally Kipyego
Stephanie Bruce
Lindsay Flanagan
Laura Thweatt

2:25 to win. At least 2:27s to make the team.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 25, 2020, 04:55:34 PM
Bourbon is whiskey, Larry

She's running both.  Desi isn't going to sandbag.  The Olympics is more likely to have cheating but she can't not try.  She loves Boston.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 27, 2020, 10:36:58 PM
Talked with former XC teammate who is running today (if a garbled message in all-caps about eating other people's souls followed by a 'hahaha thanks!' counts as talking).  Confirmed, she is going to eat all the souls this weekend!  :runner:
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 28, 2020, 10:12:33 PM
GOGOGOGO!!!!!
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: teetime on February 28, 2020, 11:03:38 PM
Revised--just shuffling the favorites around a little bit. I still think Hasay and Linden are somewhat question in the question mark category.

Emily Sisson (less experienced but young and seems made for the marathon)
Sarah Hall (prolific racer but as tough as nails and a gamer)
Kellyn Taylor (look for her to run aggressively in the middle miles but maybe fade toward the end)
Molly Huddle (breakthrough?)
Jordany Hasay - Des Linden (I think one of these two will drop or maybe even not line up but either could be in the top 3 as well)
Aliphine Tiliamuk
Emma Bates
Sally Kipyego
Stephanie Bruce
Lindsay Flanagan
Laura Thweatt

2:25 to win. At least 2:27s to make the team.


I listened to several of the contenders interviewed for the clean sport collective podcast recently and totally agree with your top three, just going from the psychological-vibe I got from each. I don't follow women's running closely enough to know who has done what recently but Sisson in particular struck me as being healthy and strong (in mind and body) enough to win. Huddle did not sound good in those same terms. I don't think they interviewed Hasay (no Nike runners and I'm sure baggage there with the clean sport group) and I didn't listen to Desi but think she needs unusual conditions to win.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 29, 2020, 08:18:02 AM
On letsrun there is someone saying that this is banned Nike coach Alberto Salazar at the host hotel in Atlanta. Could be, but also likely just a hoax just to get people riled up.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D-rpss8YruJeSj1bP029ue8p93zVDqfx/view
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: teetime on February 29, 2020, 09:04:05 AM
I mean, it does look like him but very tall thin runners with that certain posture aren't rare either.

He went to my high school (long before me) and our indoor field house had his records on the wall and our warm ups were called Salazars.

It's too bad his name is so sullied now.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 29, 2020, 12:21:45 PM
SLAYER!  :runner:
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 29, 2020, 01:03:38 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200229/6a627d741ad04bc33baa58bee70223f2.jpg)

Women’s first lap about 4 miles up
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Arrojo on February 29, 2020, 03:01:10 PM
Aliphene Tuliamuk apparently has 31 siblings. :e)
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 29, 2020, 03:32:34 PM
Wow! Seidel surprise of the year. First marathon and makes the team, how legendary is that?! Has long had potential but her injury issues, going back nearly a decade, have held her back. Great story.

Tiliamuk, we knew she and NAZ elite would be ready and that was a great win!

Kipyego, Mama take takes it home holding off Desi and Laura Thweatt.

Half the story will be what happened to Sisson, Hall, Hasay, Huddle?
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 29, 2020, 03:36:01 PM
I had to google Seidel.  There was a great runnersworld article about her a few days ago.  First marathon and a lot to overcome to get here. 

https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a31093821/molly-seidel-marathon-trials-comeback/

Also from the article...

Quote
“Tenth to 20th range would be a good day for me. All of these women are really good and have the times [to back it up]. I want to go out and be realistic, but not count myself out.”

I love it!

I also wish I'd gone to vegas and made a prop bet on exactly zero of Letsrun's "Big Five" making the team  :specs:
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on February 29, 2020, 03:38:01 PM
She was not on any of my top 10-12 lists because of not having run a marathon. But this course favored strong XC types like her and Thweatt. 
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Arrojo on February 29, 2020, 03:56:45 PM
She was not on any of my top 10-12 lists because of not having run a marathon. But this course favored strong XC types like her and Thweatt. 

And she lives in Boston.  I assume she’s been training up here. It’s been a mild winter.
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: SnarlyMarly on February 29, 2020, 05:22:29 PM
She was not on any of my top 10-12 lists because of not having run a marathon. But this course favored strong XC types like her and Thweatt.

I didn’t even put it together that she was from WI  Her dad came up this way years ago with someone DH was coaching to get lactate tested.  Remember that he had 3 kids running at University Lakes school (very prestigious small school).   I just remembered that one was named Isabel.   Small world
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on February 29, 2020, 06:46:27 PM
It was SUCH a tough day and course. Wind was whipping. They were gamers.

Headed to have a beer with the Rogue crew so might get the scoop on what happened to Allie, etc
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 29, 2020, 09:56:35 PM
And there is a podcast! 

https://runningonom.com/podcast-225/?fbclid=IwAR3jiX2pT6410kWD9r5-ueBA1ts5CEOlk3MotzIexbBmIjvDZjatMGCYj8Y
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on February 29, 2020, 10:08:10 PM
In fairness, she wasn't a total unknown as she did make letsrun's "It would be a humongous upset if any of these women made the team, but I’ll mention them here just in case." list.   :d

There was so much weirdness today, but I think her run takes the upset cake.   Abdi is fucking crazy and was never mentioned as a contender either, but he's also a gamer and has been there before with the marathon and has a history of dropping huge surprise performances. 

Tip of the cap to Korir and Desi for the razzie awards (or whatever 4th place pejorative) by not very much.  It played out pretty much exactly how I thought it would with Desi.  Spending much of the race perched at the front grinding it out, then not quite having the gears to hang with the top contenders, but not completely falling apart either to hang on for somewhere from 5th to 7th.  Of course she did me one better and got 4th, beating everyone from 'the big five' in the process.  The commentators were acting like it was a huge upset that she didn't make it, but I thought she ran a hell of a race!
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on March 01, 2020, 03:55:56 PM
Also my college teammate placed 51st/390 with a ~2:41.  About a minute faster than her CIM qualifying time from december.  Looking at how others fared on this course relative to their previous marks, that was pretty damn impressive!  Almost picked off Hasay too  :D
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: diablita on March 01, 2020, 09:03:46 PM
that's super impressive!
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on March 02, 2020, 03:03:00 PM
The carnage. Still trying to figure this one out, esp. the DNFs. I might have had Seidel at 2:32 top 12-15 and that would have been a very solid debut.

Emily Sisson - dnf
Sarah Hall - dnf
Kellyn Taylor 8th
Molly Huddle dnf
Jordany Hasay - 26th
Des Linden - 4th
Aliphine Tiliamuk - 1st
Emma Bates - 7th
Sally Kipyego - 3rd
Stephanie Bruce - 6th
Lindsay Flanagan - 12th
Laura Thweatt - 5th
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: nadra's babydaddy on March 02, 2020, 04:34:37 PM
Lots of chances last weekend to get the bugle warmed up in preparation for Barkley!  :d
Title: Re: Fast Women - OTQ 2020 edition
Post by: Coyote Mas Loco on March 02, 2020, 05:06:24 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/02/us/molly-seidel-qualifies-marathon-olympic-trials-trnd/index.html

Seidel makes MSM